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[paaul12]

STRUGGLE AND MARTYS’ WEEK IS BEING MARKED


The Struggle and Martyrs’ Week ceremonies started with a speech by the Staff Major Akin Orsdemir from the Cyprus Turkish Security Forces, broadcast live on Bayrak Radio and BRT’s first channel this morning.

Later, a special ceremony took place in front of the Martyrs’ Monument in Lefkosa where a minute’s silence was observed, the flags hoisted to the national anthem, and shots fired in memory of the martyrs.

Many high ranking officials, political party members, non governmental organizations and the public attended this ceremony.

President Mehmet Ali Talat signed the special book by noting the Turkish Cypriot peoples struggle for existence and its heroic battle against the Greek Cypriot onslaught.

Noting that the Turkish Cypriot people were continuing with their struggle where the martyrs had left, he said he would continue to work so that the Turkish Cypriot people could live in peace and security.

Similar ceremonies were held throughout all major towns and cities around the republic in memory of those who fell during 1963 and 1974.
Meanwhile the martyrs of Ayvasil Village to the west of Lefkosa were also remembered today with a special ceremony in Turkeli.

Here the ceremony started with wreaths being laid then a minutes silence was observed, shots were fired in tribute to the martyrs and flags were raised to the national anthem.

The deputy secretary of the Society of the Martyrs’ and the Disabled War Veterans Seyhan Cambaz addressed the crowd here by reminding that the events of the 21st of December 1963 also known as bloody Christmas weighed greatly on the hearts of the Turkish Cypriot people.

‘Unarmed people were targets of bullets that were serving the Akritas plan and EOKA- the armed wing of the Greek Cypriots,’ she added.

Ms. Cambaz concluded by saying that even today the Greek-Greek Cypriot duo still regard the Turkish Cypriot people as second class citizens on the island and were still trying to implement the second phase of the Akritas plan.





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[umit07]

"200 local people were napalmed to an unimaginably horrendous death"

It's the first time I heard of anyone being napalmed in Cyprus. But anyway I don't think we should forget the past and stop "bitching" , YET. I joined this forum to better understand about what the cyprus dispute is. I am only 21, and still studying so I don't have a lot of time cont. post but I can say I nearly everyday read through the threads. As far as I have understood, the regular posters on this forum can't even talk about past events and in an objective way. The dispute is a puzzle, you can't understand anything about the picture if you look at a single piece of a 2000 piece puzzle. The only way you can understand what you are going to end with in the end is if you put the puzzle together, its doesn't really matter if you have a few blank or wrong pieces in the puzzle, in the end you can still make out what the picture is. It troubles me that people in their 50's and upwards cannot still understand the big picture.

[phoenix]

boring! cant you guys find nothing else to talk about rather than who done what to whom? ffs the non cypriots on this forum must be laughing at us

I'm not laughing. In any case, just do what Phoenix says to me: my views are unimportant because I am a non-Cypriot...

I am sorry to contradict you utu . . . but I have never said your opinions do not matter because you are non-Cypriot.

I have only ever criticised you when you have ignored or misquoted what I have said and labelled me or outright racially / sexually insulted me.

I am perfectly happy to hear an outsider's point of view.

Go ahead . . .

[Jerry]

"200 local people were napalmed to an unimaginably horrendous death"

It's the first time I heard of anyone being napalmed in Cyprus. But anyway I don't think we should forget the past and stop "bitching" , YET. I joined this forum to better understand about what the cyprus dispute is. I am only 21, and still studying so I don't have a lot of time cont. post but I can say I nearly everyday read through the threads. As far as I have understood, the regular posters on this forum can't even talk about past events and in an objective way. The dispute is a puzzle, you can't understand anything about the picture if you look at a single piece of a 2000 piece puzzle. The only way you can understand what you are going to end with in the end is if you put the puzzle together, its doesn't really matter if you have a few blank or wrong pieces in the puzzle, in the end you can still make out what the picture is. It troubles me that people in their 50's and upwards cannot still understand the big picture.

Umit07 if you care to Goggle "Cyprus napalm" you will find plenty of info about it. I remember driving around the Kokkina area many years ago and the evidence was still there - brown hillsides where nothing could grow.

The dispute is not so much of a puzzle, the desire of other countries wanting different things from Cyprus sparked off internal tensions that led to the position we are in today.

I think its important that each side knows what happened to the other in the past, it should help understanding but unfortunately on this site the usual hate mongers seem to have the biggest mouths and dominate the topic.

[phoenix]

"200 local people were napalmed to an unimaginably horrendous death"

It's the first time I heard of anyone being napalmed in Cyprus. But anyway I don't think we should forget the past and stop "bitching" , YET. I joined this forum to better understand about what the cyprus dispute is. I am only 21, and still studying so I don't have a lot of time cont. post but I can say I nearly everyday read through the threads. As far as I have understood, the regular posters on this forum can't even talk about past events and in an objective way. The dispute is a puzzle, you can't understand anything about the picture if you look at a single piece of a 2000 piece puzzle. The only way you can understand what you are going to end with in the end is if you put the puzzle together, its doesn't really matter if you have a few blank or wrong pieces in the puzzle, in the end you can still make out what the picture is. It troubles me that people in their 50's and upwards cannot still understand the big picture.

It's very easy for the young to think they have the advantage over the older generation. But you can only put the puzzles together once you have them . . . and they take a lifetime to acquire. So do not give up, arrogantly thinking you have all the answers, and sit on your young laurels yet umit.

As for the use of Napalm by Turkey in Cyprus, it has the dubious honour of being one of the first countries to still use it after the ban (post Vietnam) . . . Turkey napalmed GC villages not only in 1964 but also in 1974.

1964 January, London Conference. British, US efforts to create NATO force. Makarios announces abrogation of treaties (then backs away); TCs want partition..... June, Turkish invasion threatened. Grivas returns to command Greek army contingent; expanded control to National Guard leading Greek commander to resign. President Johnson's letter to Inonu deterring invasion; Acheson Plan for "double enosis" proposed and rejected. August, arms & men imported by both sides. GC attack on and capture of TC villages in the Tylliria area in effort to control the coastline led to Turkish bombing of GC villages which included the use of napalm. Ceasefire arranged.

Taken from:
http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/www.cypr ... ology.html

Regarding 1974: (this has disturbing images . . . well, for GCs anyway )
http://www.greece.org/cyprus/index.htm

[phoenix]

Our idea of what is authority changes with age, normally. For example, when we are toddlers we take everything mom says for granted. Here is an incidence sited by Eugenie C. Scott in her book "Evolution Vs Creationism".

In a public bathroom, I once saw a little girl of perhaps 4 or 5 years old marvel at the faucets that automatically turned on when the hands were placed below the spigot. She asked her mother, "Why does the water come out Mommy?" Her mother answered brightly, if unhelpfully, "It's magic, dear!"

When we are young we rely on the authority of our parents but clearly authority can mislead us. Have you considered broadening your horizon a bit Phoenix?

Clearly it is not the nicest of things to be bombed but have you pondered on the fact that we were raining mortar bombs and bombs of all sorts on the Turkish Cypriot villages before the Turkish planes intervened for a number of days? There were Turkish Cypriot Phoenices, I presumed, who also took shelter under the canvas despite the fact that Greek bombs only sing lullabies.

Does mom, Phoenix, know that we sent an ultimatum to Turkey saying that if the bombing did not stop we would attack all the Turkish Cypriot villages and Yiorgadjis asked General Karayiannis to pinpoint two Turkish Cypriot villages to be burn to the ground, without first evacuating the inhabitants? Luckily Karayiannis refused to be part of murdering civilians.

Bananiot . . . I never disputed that the TCs have their own stories too. I was just giving mine from personal experience, so why is that so hard to accept? I was 5 years old by the time the bombings stopped and I remember the air raids whilst in school too.

As for mummy, as I said, I related my experiences. My mother refuses to talk about that period of time, which is why I said I'll check with her this weekend, hoping I could entice her to reveal her experiences. I'm still waiting on that. But she was acquainted with Grivas from her resistance days in Greece (for which she was awarded a medal), and there are a lot of issues.

My father was like Miltiades and yourself, always putting the TCs first, their desires, demands and wishes as a way to solve the Cyprus problem. I find this attitude patronising. Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?

[Viewpoint]

Phoenix have you not realized that you have hit the nail right on the head "Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?" this attitude was not prevelent back in 1963 and due to the collapse and mistrust that has been generated ever since we need special treatment to ensre you the numerically advantgae do treat everyone as equals, if you do not you like in the past you will pay an even heavier price just as a deterrant you understand. I am sur eyou have no intentions of changing or renegging on any agreements you put your signature to.

[phoenix]

Phoenix have you not realized that you have hit the nail right on the head "Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?" this attitude was not prevelent back in 1963 and due to the collapse and mistrust that has been generated ever since we need special treatment to ensre you the numerically advantgae do treat everyone as equals, if you do not you like in the past you will pay an even heavier price just as a deterrant you understand. I am sur eyou have no intentions of changing or renegging on any agreements you put your signature to.

As I said VP, no special treatment for TCs.

They should be treated as Cypriots along with the GCs + others. One man - one vote. No "reserves" of seats in government or special privileges for anyone beyond their Democratic and Human Rights.

Precisely why Makarios sought to improve on what the British forced us to accept.

Very good

[Jerry]

Phoenix have you not realized that you have hit the nail right on the head "Surely they are mature enough to be treated as equals instead of like children with "special needs"?" this attitude was not prevelent back in 1963 and due to the collapse and mistrust that has been generated ever since we need special treatment to ensre you the numerically advantgae do treat everyone as equals, if you do not you like in the past you will pay an even heavier price just as a deterrant you understand. I am sur eyou have no intentions of changing or renegging on any agreements you put your signature to.

As I said VP, no special treatment for TCs.

They should be treated as Cypriots along with the GCs + others. One man - one vote. No "reserves" of seats in government or special privileges for anyone beyond their Democratic and Human Rights.

Precisely why Makarios sought to improve on what the British forced us to accept. Very good

Absolutely right, equal as individuals but not as a community since the maths are against it. Putting the descendants of the ottomans on a pedestal and rewarding them for helping the British in 1960 was a slap in the face to all Greek Cypriots, something that Turkish Cypriots never seem to understand.

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

boring! cant you guys find nothing else to talk about rather than who done what to whom? ffs the non cypriots on this forum must be laughing at us

This is a Cyprus issue Dinos. If you are worried what the non-Cypriots are laughing about, that is your problem. The Cyprus Forum is here for Cypriots of all colours as well. They might well be laughing at you. Be happy for them.

no shit sherlock! tell me where does it get you in life to keep moaning about what happened 40 50 years ago? what are you willing to do about the cy problem? nothing thats what all you wanna do is just bitch about it, what do you think your gonna change by moaning ? nothing all you are all doing is keeping the hate alive and hurting yourselves! if thats what you want fine carry on, i personally would rather laugh and joke, and i couldnt give a shit about who laughs at me! fuck them all! i say if people cant laugh and joke about themselves and eachother then we are no better than animals

Dinos. One thing I do not have in me is HATE. Why didnt you listen to Lazarous Mavros like Bananiot did. Apparently he is the HATE spreader of Tpapa. Lets see you attack him then.

i dont even know who you are talking about tbh! i just dont like being reminded about bad shit that happened to ALL of us decades ago! it`s negative and not constructive and its not the way forward for any of us! i`m not here to score points but i reckon i lost more than anyone on this forum! and if i dont go on about it why should anyone else? especially those who were`nt even there!

Perhaps its because of people with your attitude that we find ourselves in the predicament that we are in today.

oh well carry on with hate-o-thon then guys! you are obviously much better than me at hating! i tried, how silly of me to not come on here and automatically hate, i wont bother again