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[Kikapu]

Re: the bathtub massacre. This has been discussed on an earlier thread here:

http://69.16.253.89/cyprus9643.html

Looks like you don't need me to give you the link after all Tim, because you have found it.....well done.!

It is very easy to blame either side for this crime. First as to who killed these people and afterwards, who place them in a way to make the best out of a terrible situation by those who may not have committed this crime. Propaganda is a very effective tool, and since we don't know who did what with absolute certainty, it is very easy to accuse the EOKA-B for killing these family and at the same time, it is very conceivable for the TMT to make the best of the murders for Propaganda purpose, because even today, this incident is being used by the north as a training tool of those doing their National Service, so lets not pretend that is is inconceivable to having these victims at the very worse possible "staged positions" to get the most propaganda mileage as possible from it back in 1963, because that propaganda mileage is still being carried out today.

This is what one forum member "Shahmaran" said below.

yeah i have been there, its pretty sickening...

infact it was part of the brain-washing-day-trip i was taken to, during the army training, pretty useless strategy imo, i thought it was ridiculous but in a bitter way

http://69.16.253.89/cyprus9643-10.html

pitsilos, i think there is still half of a giant cathedral sitting in the middle of Berlin for reminders, which is pretty spectacular to see never the less, and I'm pretty sure Auschwitz and its likes are still open for visits, but of course the mentality behind having them there is debatable, but i think they can hardly be compared with ours nor be labeled as "propaganda" since that case is pretty much closed and we all know who the baddies are .

About the army thing, it was a very long and a very hot day in an old bus full of stinking men, wearing layers of army clothes in the 40+ heat, trying to get a glimpse of anything female that we might drive past, just driving around places in the TRNC including the restricted zones such as parts of Maras etc...

I, like every other kid in Cyprus, always heard stories about the war but personally it was the first time i encountered the visual side of things (apart from a few very bad quality movies about the rapist evil Greek barbarians), it started off with a drive to the mass graves which are still there open for visit, i remember it was a turning on the way out of Famagusta towards west, approximately 1 hour drive, the graves were still open and it was turned into some kind of a memorial with signs and slogans.

We then moved on to a military museum-like-place in Nicosia displaying plenty of homemade rifles that TCs had built in desperation along with many other weapons used back in that time, also hundreds of pictures, including pictures of the people discovering the mass graves for the first time, lots of people crying and pulling out bodies from the graves which seem to be their relatives or neighbours, people in tears posing with dead babies in their hands, also many more of executed TCs, in dozens, lying symmetrically on the ground with their skulls open, and some pictures of the famous Cengiz Topel, who crash landed to a place very near Lefke, only to be captured by the GCs and tortured to death, i think he was electrocuted because his eyes were blood red and about to pop out of his extremely swallen face, which took place in what is now the Cengiz Topel hospital 10min from Lefke, funny enough it is where i got circumcised, in an ex-torture facility, ironic

...anyyyways, we then moved onto the Museum of Barbarism that we are talking about, to see a bath with lots of bullet holes and stains ALL over the room, i mean literally, and they were even labeled as "blood", "brains" etc. it is very gory and they even have pictures of the woman and her kids inside the bath, just in case you are not capable of imagining what the massacre was like...

Now this was exactly 10 years ago, i have been in Cyprus pretty much all my life and i only had faint ideas about the existence of such places, but (maybe naively) was never really curious to see, and i don't think i would have ever, if it wasn't for the army. But to be honest, i have many friends who did army training in Turkey, Israel, Norway, UK, etc. i don't think anyone can tell me similar parts of their "training", i mean I'm not the one to take such stuff seriously anyway but, you would expect the army to have a much greater purpose and discipline, rather than cheap and petty means of trying to build the patriotic force within you, which apparently, "you are meant to put before your life, along with your dignity and honor" as they like to remind you everyday you are there, of course i left the place believing that it was a lot more pathetic then i ever imagined, but that's besides the point...

...so, do i think all this should be there to remind us all?

when i went to see them back then, i thought it was a very sick thing to do, i mean you can have memorials for people who died in a war, and i think you definitely should do, but to actually make people re-live some of the lowest points of in-humanity and barbarism that this island has ever seen, as a 17 year old, to me it was just very absurd and very twisted, but a few years later the gates opened up and i saw all the GC propaganda all over the place and i thought maybe it has made having our ones a bit more justifiable, since we seem to be doing pretty bad about getting our voices heard globally, compared to the GCs anyway

But overall, it is still VERY ridiculous to have half of this tiny island setting up propaganda sites against the other half, and its definitely not the way to go forward for people who claim to want peace and unity, and i think the GCs probably hold the higher score but never the less, the TCs are just as guilty.

There is a fine line between telling things as they are and telling very specific things with a different agenda, and unfortunately this strategy seems to work with many people who have the herd psychology, which seems to be the majority of the people

http://69.16.253.89/cyprus9643-50.html

Never underestimate the POWER of PROPAGANDA.!

[Kikapu]

I did return to my homeland Cyprus in April 2007. Here is the full report.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus11420.html

I have just read this report. I have to say Kikapu, you do enjoy your food! Did you gain weight perchance?

Man can't live on love alone, Bubbles.!

I do enjoy good food, no mater how basic it is, as long as it taste good.!

I do gain couple of Kilos when ever I'm on a holiday.!

[Kikapu]

:roll:

You've been spending too much time listening to GCs Tim...

A few months ago they were ALL claiming that the father had killed his own family. This was the official GC viewpoint.

The GCs will never admit to ANYTHING. They'll ALWAYS resort to blaming someone else.....

Even if you were to get racially assaulted in Cyprus, the GCs are the kind of people that would think "it's our country, he's the one who came here, thus, this racist attack is HIS fault".

Or...

"We didn't venture out of our country to hurt no one, if you've got a problem with getting racially abused then you shouldn't of come here".

Hello T_C,

Since we are on the subject of 1963, you said couple of months ago that you had some pictures of the Kücük Kaymakli TC's taken as prisoners and I had asked you to show them to us, so that I try and spot the members of my family in them, but so far you have kept a very low profile on my request. T_C, do you have these pictures or don't you.? If you don't, just say so, so that I will not wait for you to post them.! Lets hear it T_C, which is it.?

[Kikapu]

On our day of release, my grandmother and me were taken to family member's house in Nicosia. The same family that had their house burnt down in Büyük Kaymakli that I talked about.

You may well have interviewed my mother. I have asked you before if you still had your notes from that day, but I believe you said that you did not.........too bad really. I do not remember kids being separated from their parents during the "welcoming period" upon our return. It may have been, but I do not have any recollection of it.

Had I known then, what I know now I would have kept contemporary notes. I was eighteen, and too young to appreciate these things. We were in too much fear then(real or imaginary?). The violence was never-ending.

I know what you mean Deniz......................too bad all the same.!

I was wondering, Deniz. Did you by any chance attend to the mass circumcision, as an observer, that was performed on the kids who were taken as prisoners, as I described in the story.?

[denizaksulu]

On our day of release, my grandmother and me were taken to family member's house in Nicosia. The same family that had their house burnt down in Büyük Kaymakli that I talked about.

You may well have interviewed my mother. I have asked you before if you still had your notes from that day, but I believe you said that you did not.........too bad really. I do not remember kids being separated from their parents during the "welcoming period" upon our return. It may have been, but I do not have any recollection of it.

Had I known then, what I know now I would have kept contemporary notes. I was eighteen, and too young to appreciate these things. We were in too much fear then(real or imaginary?). The violence was never-ending.

I know what you mean Deniz......................too bad all the same.!

I was wondering, Deniz. Did you by any chance attend to the mass circumcision, as an observer, that was performed on the kids who were taken as prisoners, as I described in the story.?

Sorry No. I did not attend. I was probably digging trenches behing Ledra Palace Hotel, when not otherwise occupied.

[Kikapu]

On our day of release, my grandmother and me were taken to family member's house in Nicosia. The same family that had their house burnt down in Büyük Kaymakli that I talked about.

You may well have interviewed my mother. I have asked you before if you still had your notes from that day, but I believe you said that you did not.........too bad really. I do not remember kids being separated from their parents during the "welcoming period" upon our return. It may have been, but I do not have any recollection of it.

Had I known then, what I know now I would have kept contemporary notes. I was eighteen, and too young to appreciate these things. We were in too much fear then(real or imaginary?). The violence was never-ending.

I know what you mean Deniz......................too bad all the same.!

I was wondering, Deniz. Did you by any chance attend to the mass circumcision, as an observer, that was performed on the kids who were taken as prisoners, as I described in the story.?

Sorry No. I did not attend. I was probably digging trenches behing Ledra Palace Hotel, when not otherwise occupied.

Too Bad...............thanks.!

I think you have been "digging trenches" on the Cyprus Forum for a while too, Deniz.!

[halil]

BRT CELEBRATES ITS 45th BIRTHDAY

Bayrak Radio Television Corporation is celebrating the 45th anniversary of its establishment.

A series of events were organized to mark the 45th birthday of the BRT which has been successfully carrying the voice of the Turkish Cypriot People since the 25th of December 1963.

A reception will also be held at Bayrak Radio Television Corporation premises to mark the day.

Plaques will be presented to those who have completed their 25th year serving at the Corporation.

Bayrak Radio was established 45 years ago today to boost the morale of the Turkish Cypriot people as it was attacked by the Greek Cypriot forces with the aim of destroying the partnership `Republic of Cyprus` and uniting the island with Greece.


The Turkish Cypriot Community, one of the two co-founders of the-then Partnership Republic of Cyprus, was thrown out of the State mechanism by force of arms, and forced to live in enclaves scattered around the island for years.


It was in these conditions that the Turkish Cypriot people found out that a radio station was needed to keep the morale high as it was already involved in the heroic resistance against the Greek Cypriots.


At first, the broadcast of Radio Bayrak only reached a limited distance, covering areas in-and-around Nicosia, but gradually it was upgraded technologically and in terms of personnel and began producing programs of all kinds and being tuned-in in large area reaching Turkey and Middle East and to the wider world on short wave.


Bayrak Television services were added to the radio in 1976.


Today, continuing its mission of carrying the Turkish Cypriot people’s voice to the world, the BRT is broadcasting on two TV and five radio channels- part of broadcast of which are beamed to parts of the world through satellite and via internet .

[denizaksulu]

On our day of release, my grandmother and me were taken to family member's house in Nicosia. The same family that had their house burnt down in Büyük Kaymakli that I talked about.

You may well have interviewed my mother. I have asked you before if you still had your notes from that day, but I believe you said that you did not.........too bad really. I do not remember kids being separated from their parents during the "welcoming period" upon our return. It may have been, but I do not have any recollection of it.

Had I known then, what I know now I would have kept contemporary notes. I was eighteen, and too young to appreciate these things. We were in too much fear then(real or imaginary?). The violence was never-ending.

I know what you mean Deniz......................too bad all the same.!

I was wondering, Deniz. Did you by any chance attend to the mass circumcision, as an observer, that was performed on the kids who were taken as prisoners, as I described in the story.?

Sorry No. I did not attend. I was probably digging trenches behing Ledra Palace Hotel, when not otherwise occupied.

Too Bad...............thanks.!

I think you have been "digging trenches" on the Cyprus Forum for a while too, Deniz.!

I'd like to think that I do not need to dig trenches anymore. I feel safe now - but 1963 was different. Perhaps I am filling the trenches in.

[Kikapu]

On our day of release, my grandmother and me were taken to family member's house in Nicosia. The same family that had their house burnt down in Büyük Kaymakli that I talked about.

You may well have interviewed my mother. I have asked you before if you still had your notes from that day, but I believe you said that you did not.........too bad really. I do not remember kids being separated from their parents during the "welcoming period" upon our return. It may have been, but I do not have any recollection of it.

Had I known then, what I know now I would have kept contemporary notes. I was eighteen, and too young to appreciate these things. We were in too much fear then(real or imaginary?). The violence was never-ending.

I know what you mean Deniz......................too bad all the same.!

I was wondering, Deniz. Did you by any chance attend to the mass circumcision, as an observer, that was performed on the kids who were taken as prisoners, as I described in the story.?

Sorry No. I did not attend. I was probably digging trenches behing Ledra Palace Hotel, when not otherwise occupied.

Too Bad...............thanks.!

I think you have been "digging trenches" on the Cyprus Forum for a while too, Deniz.!

I'd like to think that I do not need to dig trenches anymore. I feel safe now - but 1963 was different. Perhaps I am filling the trenches in.

I can think of few people from the forum that you would like to have in the trenches before filling them in.!

[denizaksulu]

On our day of release, my grandmother and me were taken to family member's house in Nicosia. The same family that had their house burnt down in Büyük Kaymakli that I talked about.

You may well have interviewed my mother. I have asked you before if you still had your notes from that day, but I believe you said that you did not.........too bad really. I do not remember kids being separated from their parents during the "welcoming period" upon our return. It may have been, but I do not have any recollection of it.

Had I known then, what I know now I would have kept contemporary notes. I was eighteen, and too young to appreciate these things. We were in too much fear then(real or imaginary?). The violence was never-ending.

I know what you mean Deniz......................too bad all the same.!

I was wondering, Deniz. Did you by any chance attend to the mass circumcision, as an observer, that was performed on the kids who were taken as prisoners, as I described in the story.?

Sorry No. I did not attend. I was probably digging trenches behing Ledra Palace Hotel, when not otherwise occupied.

Too Bad...............thanks.!

I think you have been "digging trenches" on the Cyprus Forum for a while too, Deniz.!

I'd like to think that I do not need to dig trenches anymore. I feel safe now - but 1963 was different. Perhaps I am filling the trenches in.

I can think of few people from the forum that you would like to have in the trenches before filling them in.!

TC or GC? Who do you suggest?