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[halil]

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yes, my 'gorumce' was eight years old, she also was among the 'hostages'.I remember well the arrival of the buses back to the Girls High School, I was there taking statements from the elderly. This was another episode which changed my life as the family had to leave their destroyed Kaimakli home and move to England where we met.

Deniz,

I though you and I were around the same age group, but you must be few years older by what you have said above.

I would be very interested to read if you have any notes that you took from the returning "Prisoners of War" about our captivity. What I wrote was from a 8 year old kid's memory without even asking my mother for any information, and what I wrote about the school building that we were kept in was exactly as it was when I visited the same school building 43 years later. I have already posted the picture of the school before, but here it is again.

Perhaps you can scan your notes if you still have them and post them for us to read.

Thanks.



The single level building is where the women and children were kept and the court yard where women prepared food on open fires, and the 2-3 storey building is were the men were kept.

Sorry, I have no contemporary notes. I was eighteen at the time. Our notes were handed in to the 'higher officials'.

From the first group of people, I had interviewed only 8 men over the age of 50. Only one mentioned ill treatment, the evidence being two missing nails. Thats all I remember.

Thanks Deniz,

For a moment I thought you meant only 8 men over the age of 50 were returned out of 700 hundred, but after re reading it couple of times, I knew what you meant.

As you can imagined, 700 being kept in one place more or less, would have been easy for everyone to find out if there were any on goings of miss treatments of us. As I said, I would be sent by my mother to go and see my 17 year old cousin who was kept with the men, just to make sure he was OK, and I'm sure many families did the same to check up on their men, but to the best of my knowledge, there was nothing bad spoken by the women in our presence about having any fears for their men and for their daughters, or to themselves. I wonder if the person you spoke to who had missing nails was tortured before he arrived to the school or while he was there.

Deniz, I wrote what I remembered about our return that day, to something like a "football champions being driven through the crowd".

Can you re create that day for us please, as to what it was like for those who were waiting and the emotions before and after our arrival.

What was the mood of those who's love ones were not with the returning 700.?

Were there any more missing people returned anytime after we were returned.??

You being 18 at the time, most certainly will have a good memory as to what happened that day.

Thanks.

You dont ask for much, Kikapu. You talk about an 18 year olds memory after 43 years , when I have a memory of a 62 year old.

At the time these events had began, I was in Academy III (same year as Lise III.
The schools were shut for obvious reasons. Some of us were digging trenches some were given other duties. I volunteered to the SYS (Sosyal Yardim Servisi). Our duties were to provide food supplies to the needy and families with missing men.
We had heard of the captives of Kaymakli and their imminent return to safety. I think this came about after a few Turkish Airforce Jets flew over Nicosia as a warning to the GC side.
Our Office was in the Saray Onu Square, above the Barclays Bank.
One evening a call came that we were needed to take statements as the arrival of the 'hostages' was imminent.
We went to the old Victoria School where the busloads of 'hostages were expected with the UN/British soldiers.
It was a cold afternoon and dark, I think there was a light drizzle.
Outside the gates were thousands (that is what it looked like) of people, relatives , friends waiting to see who had been returned, who was missing.
The only guy I remembered well was the guy who talked about maltreatment. He was unshaven in poor village garb. I think he was about 65 years old.His hand was bandeaged, I did not see anything. He told us what he was doing when he was captured and where he was taken. He said they were provided ample food. My first reaction was thinking why do this to an old man.
We took very short statements and then they were allowed to go to meet their relatives. We heard to sounds of crying and happy greetings, People asking for their missing relatives. all different emotions together.
I think this was the last batch, but word got around about those that were killed and missing. A few of them I knew. One being our once PT teacher. Huseyin Ruso. He was taken and never seen again.ARE/RIP.
I have no recollection of the date at all. I could look it up, but that would not be my recollection.
Even though there were the sounds of jubilation , the overwhelming feeling was doom and gloom.

Thats all I can give you of this episode in my life. A few weeks after this, schools reopened but within the walls of the old city as our school was within range of Greek fire.

So it was daytime school and evenings.......we did not sleep much.

TURKS MARTYRED IN 1963 (Kaymaklı )

Name (Age) Place Date
Ali Osman (53) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 31.12.1963
Ahmet Kara Ali (50) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 25.12.1963
Osman Hudaverdi (33) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 25.12.1963
Seyit Huseyin (37) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Ali Mehmet (24) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Turgut Hasan (23) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Hasan Husnu (40) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Osman Cevdet (45) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Şukru Şevki (44) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Hasan Huseyin Cinko (23) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Huseyin Mehmet Emin (22) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 29.12.1963
İsmail Mustafa( 28 )Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 29.12.1963
Turgut Fahri (24) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 29.12.1963
Kemal Ahmet Koccino (45) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
İrfan Mehmet (24) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Omer Hasan Debreli (46) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
İbrahim Ahmet (60) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 29.12.1963
Osman Derviş (50) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Şukru Tevfik (39) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 30.12.1963
Sezai Nidai (23) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 31.12.1963
Cemal Huseyin Arifoğlu (26) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 31.12.1963
Erdem Mehmet (24) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Munur Yusuf (29) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Huseyin Mustafa Vreccalı (39) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963


MAHI (Publishing in South Cyprus)

31.12.2005


SAMPSON’S ATTACK ON KUCUK KAYMAKLI (Summary)


"In 1963, attack on Kucuk Kaymakli was an example of heroism. During that period, Turks saw Sampson as a charming revenger whom nobody could stand against. Even the simple expression of his name used to create panic amongst the Turks. Armed Turks living in Kucuk Kaymakli used to shout, "Sampson is coming" and left their position in panic and move towards northern parts of Nicosia.

Despite Sampson used to fight with older weapons and armors; with bulldozers and attack with slow-motion tracks full of sandbags, the situation was like this. Sandbags were used to set up small windows and very small amount of men used to count the bullets one by one and fire them with automatic guns.

"THERE WAS ONLY ONE SLOGAN: TURKS TO THE SEA"

Hellenic part of Cyprus was in a period where the only slogan amongst its leadership and people was ‘Turks to the sea’...And under these conditions; without being aware of how the results would affect the whole process of Cyprus state, many Cyprus Hellenics especially the ones in Kaymakli-Kucuk Kaymakli-Kizilbas-Yenisehir, used to applaud those who had the courage to get involved in the war for protecting Cyprus Republic from the extremist Turkish Cypriot Leadership.

In order to understand under which conditions Kucuk Kaymakli operation was made, we should go back to 40 years earlier, right after the proclamation of the Cyprus Republic in 1960. This period was a period which was resembled to be ‘a divorced couple who live in the same house" by a foreign journalist.

[Kikapu]

You dont ask for much, Kikapu. You talk about an 18 year olds memory after 43 years , when I have a memory of a 62 year old.

At the time these events had began, I was in Academy III (same year as Lise III.
The schools were shut for obvious reasons. Some of us were digging trenches some were given other duties. I volunteered to the SYS (Sosyal Yardim Servisi). Our duties were to provide food supplies to the needy and families with missing men.
We had heard of the captives of Kaymakli and their imminent return to safety. I think this came about after a few Turkish Airforce Jets flew over Nicosia as a warning to the GC side.
Our Office was in the Saray Onu Square, above the Barclays Bank.
One evening a call came that we were needed to take statements as the arrival of the 'hostages' was imminent.
We went to the old Victoria School where the busloads of 'hostages were expected with the UN/British soldiers.
It was a cold afternoon and dark, I think there was a light drizzle.
Outside the gates were thousands (that is what it looked like) of people, relatives , friends waiting to see who had been returned, who was missing.
The only guy I remembered well was the guy who talked about maltreatment. He was unshaven in poor village garb. I think he was about 65 years old.His hand was bandeaged, I did not see anything. He told us what he was doing when he was captured and where he was taken. He said they were provided ample food. My first reaction was thinking why do this to an old man.
We took very short statements and then they were allowed to go to meet their relatives. We heard to sounds of crying and happy greetings, People asking for their missing relatives. all different emotions together.
I think this was the last batch, but word got around about those that were killed and missing. A few of them I knew. One being our once PT teacher. Huseyin Ruso. He was taken and never seen again.ARE/RIP.
I have no recollection of the date at all. I could look it up, but that would not be my recollection.
Even though there were the sounds of jubilation , the overwhelming feeling was doom and gloom.

Thats all I can give you of this episode in my life. A few weeks after this, schools reopened but within the walls of the old city as our school was within range of Greek fire.

So it was daytime school and evenings.......we did not sleep much.

Deniz,

You dont ask for much, Kikapu. You talk about an 18 year olds memory after 43 years , when I have a memory of a 62 year old.

Actually Deniz, I do ask a lot, that's because I give a lot, therefore expect the same in return.

Thank you for your post. I think you have described the crowd as I remembered. It was amazing how the families even found each other. I just remember seeing my uncle who came to look for us, which were 9 persons in total, 6 being kids under the age of 11 years old, youngest being 2 years old. I don't even know, if we all came in the same bus or were spread out. In any case, the place we were brought to were within the walls of Nicosia, but I have no idea where the Barclay's Bank was, but I remember being very close to a Cinema where we would go to see films at times. I never forget one of the films I saw there before our captivity, but never knew the title of the film until I saw the same film again many years later in the UK, which was "Last Train from Gun Hill" with Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn.




Thanks Deniz. It's good to put some of the missing pieces together of my childhood from others who were there also at some point of that time period.

[denizaksulu]

You dont ask for much, Kikapu. You talk about an 18 year olds memory after 43 years , when I have a memory of a 62 year old.

At the time these events had began, I was in Academy III (same year as Lise III.
The schools were shut for obvious reasons. Some of us were digging trenches some were given other duties. I volunteered to the SYS (Sosyal Yardim Servisi). Our duties were to provide food supplies to the needy and families with missing men.
We had heard of the captives of Kaymakli and their imminent return to safety. I think this came about after a few Turkish Airforce Jets flew over Nicosia as a warning to the GC side.
Our Office was in the Saray Onu Square, above the Barclays Bank.
One evening a call came that we were needed to take statements as the arrival of the 'hostages' was imminent.
We went to the old Victoria School where the busloads of 'hostages were expected with the UN/British soldiers.
It was a cold afternoon and dark, I think there was a light drizzle.
Outside the gates were thousands (that is what it looked like) of people, relatives , friends waiting to see who had been returned, who was missing.
The only guy I remembered well was the guy who talked about maltreatment. He was unshaven in poor village garb. I think he was about 65 years old.His hand was bandeaged, I did not see anything. He told us what he was doing when he was captured and where he was taken. He said they were provided ample food. My first reaction was thinking why do this to an old man.
We took very short statements and then they were allowed to go to meet their relatives. We heard to sounds of crying and happy greetings, People asking for their missing relatives. all different emotions together.
I think this was the last batch, but word got around about those that were killed and missing. A few of them I knew. One being our once PT teacher. Huseyin Ruso. He was taken and never seen again.ARE/RIP.
I have no recollection of the date at all. I could look it up, but that would not be my recollection.
Even though there were the sounds of jubilation , the overwhelming feeling was doom and gloom.

Thats all I can give you of this episode in my life. A few weeks after this, schools reopened but within the walls of the old city as our school was within range of Greek fire.

So it was daytime school and evenings.......we did not sleep much.

Deniz,

You dont ask for much, Kikapu. You talk about an 18 year olds memory after 43 years , when I have a memory of a 62 year old.

Actually Deniz, I do ask a lot, that's because I give a lot, therefore expect the same in return.

Thank you for your post. I think you have described the crowd as I remembered. It was amazing how the families even found each other. I just remember seeing my uncle who came to look for us, which were 9 persons in total, 6 being kids under the age of 11 years old, youngest being 2 years old. I don't even know, if we all came in the same bus or were spread out. In any case, the place we were brought to were within the walls of Nicosia, but I have no idea where the Barclay's Bank was, but I remember being very close to a Cinema where we would go to see films at times. I never forget one of the films I saw there before our captivity, but never knew the title of the film until I saw the same film again many years later in the UK, which was "Last Train from Gun Hill" with Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn.




Thanks Deniz. It's good to put some of the missing pieces together of my childhood from others who were there also at some point of that time period.

Kikapu, I wasnt complaining to the fact that you asked, it was the idea of trying to remember the facts at the time. There were a lot of unhappy times then. I had almost forgotten, most of these terrible events. Now there are all back.

[Kikapu]

TURKS MARTYRED IN 1963 (Kaymaklı )

Name (Age) Place Date
Ali Osman (53) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 31.12.1963
Ahmet Kara Ali (50) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 25.12.1963
Osman Hudaverdi (33) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 25.12.1963
Seyit Huseyin (37) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Ali Mehmet (24) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Turgut Hasan (23) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Hasan Husnu (40) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Osman Cevdet (45) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Şukru Şevki (44) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Hasan Huseyin Cinko (23) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Huseyin Mehmet Emin (22) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 29.12.1963
İsmail Mustafa( 28 )Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 29.12.1963
Turgut Fahri (24) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 29.12.1963
Kemal Ahmet Koccino (45) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
İrfan Mehmet (24) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Omer Hasan Debreli (46) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
İbrahim Ahmet (60) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 29.12.1963
Osman Derviş (50) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Şukru Tevfik (39) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 30.12.1963
Sezai Nidai (23) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 31.12.1963
Cemal Huseyin Arifoğlu (26) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 31.12.1963
Erdem Mehmet (24) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Munur Yusuf (29) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Huseyin Mustafa Vreccalı (39) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963


MAHI (Publishing in South Cyprus)

31.12.2005


SAMPSON’S ATTACK ON KUCUK KAYMAKLI (Summary)


"In 1963, attack on Kucuk Kaymakli was an example of heroism. During that period, Turks saw Sampson as a charming revenger whom nobody could stand against. Even the simple expression of his name used to create panic amongst the Turks. Armed Turks living in Kucuk Kaymakli used to shout, "Sampson is coming" and left their position in panic and move towards northern parts of Nicosia.

Despite Sampson used to fight with older weapons and armors; with bulldozers and attack with slow-motion tracks full of sandbags, the situation was like this. Sandbags were used to set up small windows and very small amount of men used to count the bullets one by one and fire them with automatic guns.

"THERE WAS ONLY ONE SLOGAN: TURKS TO THE SEA"

Hellenic part of Cyprus was in a period where the only slogan amongst its leadership and people was ‘Turks to the sea’...And under these conditions; without being aware of how the results would affect the whole process of Cyprus state, many Cyprus Hellenics especially the ones in Kaymakli-Kucuk Kaymakli-Kizilbas-Yenisehir, used to applaud those who had the courage to get involved in the war for protecting Cyprus Republic from the extremist Turkish Cypriot Leadership.

In order to understand under which conditions Kucuk Kaymakli operation was made, we should go back to 40 years earlier, right after the proclamation of the Cyprus Republic in 1960. This period was a period which was resembled to be ‘a divorced couple who live in the same house" by a foreign journalist.

Halil,

Do you have the rest of the story, or is this all there is. Please post the rest, if you have them.

Thanks.

[Kikapu]

Deniz,

You dont ask for much, Kikapu. You talk about an 18 year olds memory after 43 years , when I have a memory of a 62 year old.

Actually Deniz, I do ask a lot, that's because I give a lot, therefore expect the same in return.

Thank you for your post. I think you have described the crowd as I remembered. It was amazing how the families even found each other. I just remember seeing my uncle who came to look for us, which were 9 persons in total, 6 being kids under the age of 11 years old, youngest being 2 years old. I don't even know, if we all came in the same bus or were spread out. In any case, the place we were brought to were within the walls of Nicosia, but I have no idea where the Barclay's Bank was, but I remember being very close to a Cinema where we would go to see films at times. I never forget one of the films I saw there before our captivity, but never knew the title of the film until I saw the same film again many years later in the UK, which was "Last Train from Gun Hill" with Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn.




Thanks Deniz. It's good to put some of the missing pieces together of my childhood from others who were there also at some point of that time period.

Kikapu, I wasnt complaining to the fact that you asked, it was the idea of trying to remember the facts at the time. There were a lot of unhappy times then. I had almost forgotten, most of these terrible events. Now there are all back.

It's good to remember the past Deniz, no matter how sad they were at times....just let us not repeat them again.

These are my concerns of today's situation for example, where we are holding others property and violating their Basic Human Rights. This only brews hate and revenge at some point in the future, and when I read some of the posts by Fanatics & Fascist on the forum, it annoys me to no end. If there's one thing I have learned in my 52 years on this Planet, that would be, that nothing lasts for ever. The moral of the story is "Be kind to your Neighbour, because he knows where you live".

[zan]

Deniz,

You dont ask for much, Kikapu. You talk about an 18 year olds memory after 43 years , when I have a memory of a 62 year old.

Actually Deniz, I do ask a lot, that's because I give a lot, therefore expect the same in return.

Thank you for your post. I think you have described the crowd as I remembered. It was amazing how the families even found each other. I just remember seeing my uncle who came to look for us, which were 9 persons in total, 6 being kids under the age of 11 years old, youngest being 2 years old. I don't even know, if we all came in the same bus or were spread out. In any case, the place we were brought to were within the walls of Nicosia, but I have no idea where the Barclay's Bank was, but I remember being very close to a Cinema where we would go to see films at times. I never forget one of the films I saw there before our captivity, but never knew the title of the film until I saw the same film again many years later in the UK, which was "Last Train from Gun Hill" with Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn.




Thanks Deniz. It's good to put some of the missing pieces together of my childhood from others who were there also at some point of that time period.

Kikapu, I wasnt complaining to the fact that you asked, it was the idea of trying to remember the facts at the time. There were a lot of unhappy times then. I had almost forgotten, most of these terrible events. Now there are all back.

It's good to remember the past Deniz, no matter how sad they were at times....just let us not repeat them again.

These are my concerns of today's situation for example, where we are holding others property and violating their Basic Human Rights. This only brews hate and revenge at some point in the future, and when I read some of the posts by Fanatics & Fascist on the forum, it annoys me to no end. If there's one thing I have learned in my 52 years on this Planet, that would be, that nothing lasts for ever. The moral of the story is "Be kind to your Neighbour, because he knows where you live".

Still nothing about he GCs holding on to our property.... ..As in our island through tricks and murder then Kiks........Who the hell listens to this Greek propaganda mouthpiece any more anyway...

[Kikapu]

Deniz,

You dont ask for much, Kikapu. You talk about an 18 year olds memory after 43 years , when I have a memory of a 62 year old.

Actually Deniz, I do ask a lot, that's because I give a lot, therefore expect the same in return.

Thank you for your post. I think you have described the crowd as I remembered. It was amazing how the families even found each other. I just remember seeing my uncle who came to look for us, which were 9 persons in total, 6 being kids under the age of 11 years old, youngest being 2 years old. I don't even know, if we all came in the same bus or were spread out. In any case, the place we were brought to were within the walls of Nicosia, but I have no idea where the Barclay's Bank was, but I remember being very close to a Cinema where we would go to see films at times. I never forget one of the films I saw there before our captivity, but never knew the title of the film until I saw the same film again many years later in the UK, which was "Last Train from Gun Hill" with Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn.




Thanks Deniz. It's good to put some of the missing pieces together of my childhood from others who were there also at some point of that time period.

Kikapu, I wasnt complaining to the fact that you asked, it was the idea of trying to remember the facts at the time. There were a lot of unhappy times then. I had almost forgotten, most of these terrible events. Now there are all back.

It's good to remember the past Deniz, no matter how sad they were at times....just let us not repeat them again.

These are my concerns of today's situation for example, where we are holding others property and violating their Basic Human Rights. This only brews hate and revenge at some point in the future, and when I read some of the posts by Fanatics & Fascist on the forum, it annoys me to no end. If there's one thing I have learned in my 52 years on this Planet, that would be, that nothing lasts for ever. The moral of the story is "Be kind to your Neighbour, because he knows where you live".

Still nothing about he GCs holding on to our property.... :roll: ..As in our island through tricks and murder then Kiks........Who the hell listens to this Greek propaganda mouthpiece any more anyway...

The TC's property is there Zan, with our names on the titles.

So what exactly was your question.??

If it was why is it that we can't do as we want with it, well, the answer is "NO DOUBLE DIPPING" is allowed, therefore we can't have our cake and others also.

The problem with you Zan is that you cannot see Right from Wrong.

I on the other hand, can see it very clearly who commits the wrongs and who does not. Both sides have committed wrongs in many different ways, but when it comes to the property issues, it is crystal clear to me, and if you cannot accept the truth which is so blatantly clear, I'm afraid you cause great damage to all your other arguments to be taken seriously, no matter how factual they may be.

[zan]

Deniz,

You dont ask for much, Kikapu. You talk about an 18 year olds memory after 43 years , when I have a memory of a 62 year old.

Actually Deniz, I do ask a lot, that's because I give a lot, therefore expect the same in return.

Thank you for your post. I think you have described the crowd as I remembered. It was amazing how the families even found each other. I just remember seeing my uncle who came to look for us, which were 9 persons in total, 6 being kids under the age of 11 years old, youngest being 2 years old. I don't even know, if we all came in the same bus or were spread out. In any case, the place we were brought to were within the walls of Nicosia, but I have no idea where the Barclay's Bank was, but I remember being very close to a Cinema where we would go to see films at times. I never forget one of the films I saw there before our captivity, but never knew the title of the film until I saw the same film again many years later in the UK, which was "Last Train from Gun Hill" with Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn.




Thanks Deniz. It's good to put some of the missing pieces together of my childhood from others who were there also at some point of that time period.

Kikapu, I wasnt complaining to the fact that you asked, it was the idea of trying to remember the facts at the time. There were a lot of unhappy times then. I had almost forgotten, most of these terrible events. Now there are all back.

It's good to remember the past Deniz, no matter how sad they were at times....just let us not repeat them again.

These are my concerns of today's situation for example, where we are holding others property and violating their Basic Human Rights. This only brews hate and revenge at some point in the future, and when I read some of the posts by Fanatics & Fascist on the forum, it annoys me to no end. If there's one thing I have learned in my 52 years on this Planet, that would be, that nothing lasts for ever. The moral of the story is "Be kind to your Neighbour, because he knows where you live".

Still nothing about he GCs holding on to our property.... :roll: ..As in our island through tricks and murder then Kiks........Who the hell listens to this Greek propaganda mouthpiece any more anyway...

The TC's property is there Zan, with our names on the titles.

So what exactly was your question.??

If it was why is it that we can't do as we want with it, well, the answer is "NO DOUBLE DIPPING" is allowed, therefore we can't have our cake and others also.

The problem with you Zan is that you cannot see Right from Wrong.

I on the other hand, can see it very clearly who commits the wrongs and who does not. Both sides have committed wrongs in many different ways, but when it comes to the property issues, it is crystal clear to me, and if you cannot accept the truth which is so blatantly clear, I'm afraid you cause great damage to all your other arguments to be taken seriously, no matter how factual they may be.

The truth is that ALL wrongs have to be put right but you ignore the ones that are still existent on the Gc side. The property issue is not the only problem and when it comes to double dipping, then allowing the the GCs to hold on t government and giving everything else up is allowing them to do just that. Pity you chose not to acknowledge that fact also. That is the right and the wrong but you have a blindness to that fact.....

[denizaksulu]

Deniz,

You dont ask for much, Kikapu. You talk about an 18 year olds memory after 43 years , when I have a memory of a 62 year old.

Actually Deniz, I do ask a lot, that's because I give a lot, therefore expect the same in return.

Thank you for your post. I think you have described the crowd as I remembered. It was amazing how the families even found each other. I just remember seeing my uncle who came to look for us, which were 9 persons in total, 6 being kids under the age of 11 years old, youngest being 2 years old. I don't even know, if we all came in the same bus or were spread out. In any case, the place we were brought to were within the walls of Nicosia, but I have no idea where the Barclay's Bank was, but I remember being very close to a Cinema where we would go to see films at times. I never forget one of the films I saw there before our captivity, but never knew the title of the film until I saw the same film again many years later in the UK, which was "Last Train from Gun Hill" with Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn.




Thanks Deniz. It's good to put some of the missing pieces together of my childhood from others who were there also at some point of that time period.

Kikapu, I wasnt complaining to the fact that you asked, it was the idea of trying to remember the facts at the time. There were a lot of unhappy times then. I had almost forgotten, most of these terrible events. Now there are all back.

It's good to remember the past Deniz, no matter how sad they were at times....just let us not repeat them again.

These are my concerns of today's situation for example, where we are holding others property and violating their Basic Human Rights. This only brews hate and revenge at some point in the future, and when I read some of the posts by Fanatics & Fascist on the forum, it annoys me to no end. If there's one thing I have learned in my 52 years on this Planet, that would be, that nothing lasts for ever. The moral of the story is "Be kind to your Neighbour, because he knows where you live".

That is my hope Kikapu. I remember the past, then regret it as the memories bring back negative feelings. This time of the year will allways do that. I like to think that I forgive those that were responsible for the carnage (1963, 1967 and 1974.) Whoever they are.
At times I usually do. Christmas time, I am brought back to the "Bloody Noel of 1963". Well, we are human. Lest we forget. Lest we not make the same mistake again.

[halil]

TURKS MARTYRED IN 1963 (Kaymaklı )

Name (Age) Place Date
Ali Osman (53) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 31.12.1963
Ahmet Kara Ali (50) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 25.12.1963
Osman Hudaverdi (33) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 25.12.1963
Seyit Huseyin (37) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Ali Mehmet (24) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Turgut Hasan (23) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Hasan Husnu (40) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Osman Cevdet (45) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Şukru Şevki (44) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Hasan Huseyin Cinko (23) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Huseyin Mehmet Emin (22) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 29.12.1963
İsmail Mustafa( 28 )Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 29.12.1963
Turgut Fahri (24) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 29.12.1963
Kemal Ahmet Koccino (45) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
İrfan Mehmet (24) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Omer Hasan Debreli (46) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
İbrahim Ahmet (60) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 29.12.1963
Osman Derviş (50) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Şukru Tevfik (39) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 30.12.1963
Sezai Nidai (23) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 31.12.1963
Cemal Huseyin Arifoğlu (26) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 31.12.1963
Erdem Mehmet (24) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 26.12.1963
Munur Yusuf (29) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963
Huseyin Mustafa Vreccalı (39) Kucukkaymaklı / Lefkoşa 27.12.1963


MAHI (Publishing in South Cyprus)

31.12.2005


SAMPSON’S ATTACK ON KUCUK KAYMAKLI (Summary)


"In 1963, attack on Kucuk Kaymakli was an example of heroism. During that period, Turks saw Sampson as a charming revenger whom nobody could stand against. Even the simple expression of his name used to create panic amongst the Turks. Armed Turks living in Kucuk Kaymakli used to shout, "Sampson is coming" and left their position in panic and move towards northern parts of Nicosia.

Despite Sampson used to fight with older weapons and armors; with bulldozers and attack with slow-motion tracks full of sandbags, the situation was like this. Sandbags were used to set up small windows and very small amount of men used to count the bullets one by one and fire them with automatic guns.

"THERE WAS ONLY ONE SLOGAN: TURKS TO THE SEA"

Hellenic part of Cyprus was in a period where the only slogan amongst its leadership and people was ‘Turks to the sea’...And under these conditions; without being aware of how the results would affect the whole process of Cyprus state, many Cyprus Hellenics especially the ones in Kaymakli-Kucuk Kaymakli-Kizilbas-Yenisehir, used to applaud those who had the courage to get involved in the war for protecting Cyprus Republic from the extremist Turkish Cypriot Leadership.

In order to understand under which conditions Kucuk Kaymakli operation was made, we should go back to 40 years earlier, right after the proclamation of the Cyprus Republic in 1960. This period was a period which was resembled to be ‘a divorced couple who live in the same house" by a foreign journalist.

Halil,

Do you have the rest of the story, or is this all there is. Please post the rest, if you have them.

Thanks.

İ am afraid i don't have rest of the story . My wive and her families are from Hamitmandrez and Kaymaklı . They have lot's of saying and bad memories . As deniz say's at his below writing Lets pray and we can't Have those terible days again . You might get confuse with me again Kikapu. My anger is GC's are always showing that things are started at 74. Which is not true as we all know. Some of them excepts it but their policies are what ever happened in Cyprus just started with Turkish İnvation . İ am strongly against this theory.

You are the people that you can write your own stories what has happened in Kaymakli.

Some of them from web:
Daily Mail, 10.1.64
Several Turkish homes were ablaze tonight in the Omorphita area of Nicosia, and others were looted by Greek irregulars. This has brought new tension to the situation.


Kyle notes “there is no doubt that the main victims of the numerous incidents that took place during the next few months were Turks”. 700 Turkish hostages, including women and children, were taken from the northern suburbs of Nicosia. Nikos Sampson led a group of Greek Cypriot irregulars into the mixed suburb of Omorphita and massacred the Turkish Cypriot population indiscriminately[By 1964, 193 Turkish Cypriots and 133 Greek Cypriots were killed, with a further 209 Turks and 41 Greeks missing, presumed dead. The British Daily Telegraph called it the "anti Turkish pogrom.

“The Imam of Omorphita and his paralysed blind son were found today murdered in their beds in Nicosia. Turks returning to Omorphita suburb under British escort found the 75 year old priest. Huseyin Igneci riddled with machine - gun bullets.
Bernard Jordan Daily Mail 3 -1 – 1964

I live in the area of Chaglayan which is close to the Famagusta Gate, Ayios Kasianos and Omorphita… In 1963, I was only five years old when barricades were buing built… We had a construction in our house and had lots of sand - I remember soldiers coming to fill bags with this sand and creating makeshift barricades to divide the city of Nicosia… Bullets were being fired and one night towards midnight soldiers knocked on our doors to tell us `to leave immediately`… We went inside the walled city to find a `safer place` away from our homes… To live in a room for some months with 25 other persons… To sleep on the floor… Of course I could not sleep, I was too frightened… I missed the garden I grew up in, my cat Ugur (Lucky), my toys… I couldn't tolerate darkness because of gunfire. I didn't want to close my eyes…

İn one street in omrphite all the misery of war was on view in the deserted bullet-riddled home of MR and MRS MENTES.The place was ransacked.the walls were scored with bullet holes.i picked up a bullet shattered memory of happier day their wedding potrait on a table nearby lay a tiny doll , in a bedroom bullets hat shattered a cot but there was no trace of the Mentes family.What happened to them perhaps they die, perhaps they live. Daily HERALD 31-12-1963

Also I know Kikapu GC's had this kind of the things . Like you had it during your childhood. May be you or Deniz knows Mentes family .Are they in Live ?

What I belive is Cyprus problem is not the Who is occuping who is land or properties . It is more than that .