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Turkish Cypriots have become a minority in their own country

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby humanist » Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:17 pm

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Thats brilliant mate but now I have a picture in my mind of a cat asking a dog to look after his large steak while he goes and has his teeth checked...


We call ourselves Turks because since 1963 that is exactly what we have been and not allowed to be anything else. We had Cypriotness for three whole years until that dream was destroyed. The "RoC" has defined CYpriotness with its tricks on the UN, and that definition does not include us and that is that. Until you realise what you are asking when you want a declaration of Cypriotness then you will stay confused. That means we do not stand and sing the Greek national anthem. That means we have the required representatives in government, the army and the police. That means that the 13 amendments that Makarios proposed get put back into the constitution and the TCs are allowed their legal rights in voting them in or out.

I have been simplistic in asking for those things and I hope you know now that it is not that simple...We cannot turn back time that easily and the compromises we have to make are hard ones to swallow but swallow we must.

As for being clear....We voted yes on the Annan Plan...How much clearer do you want it...Before Denktas declared our republic he exhausted every avenue but the GC admin played the waiting game and as in the aftermath of the Anna Plan we cannot sit around waiting for you guys to make up your minds or maneuver us into a position where we have no choice. 45 years you have held us under siege Hunmanist and you are still trying to make it look like we have been given a choice.....


As for Talat saying those things...He was slated by the nationalist TCs for saying exactly that but you have no idea of that have you. When I first starting writting on the ATCA Forum, Talat was their enemy for wanting reunification....Even he has had enough now and the people have also. You really need to have a look at what Tpap is doing and stop passing the buck. One more trickster like him after the election and it's all over I am afraid Humanist. I just hope that the GC people realise what exactly is happening here. One more trick or rejection and you will lose the very few TCs you have left that still want reunification. Be warned.




Zan, you cannot help the sarcasm can you? But beyond that I like it when you talk to me nicely like another human being.


This is a great post by the way and yes I agree with all of it. Thank you for ointing out the thing about Talat in your last sentence no I didn't know that. Still I reserve the right not to like him and his current direction.

However it still does not change the questions about Turkish Cypriotness. I don't know whether I have the right to coment on that. Like I said if that is where you want to go then accept responsibility do not blame the rest of Cyprus. That is all I am saying.
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Postby humanist » Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:28 pm

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I'm sure she isn't Humanist and I'm sorry if I offended you, but still, there are a lot GCs that just couldn't care less about what we think and I find them dangerous...I would not agree with someone who tries to tell me "everything will be ok" when it blatantly wouldn't when theres people like phoenix around. They may be a minority but theres enough of them to make me feel unwelcome in my country in the even that GCs get everything they want.


T_C am not going to say that it is okay. I am getting a bit jacked off by the generalised statements about either side. I have seen some vicious posts by some to the Turkish speaking Cypriots on this forum. I am reserved about mentioning their name because I don't want t be attacked again.

It's whether you want to accept that racism is a big part of both sides and do something about it or you just want to blame and group all Greek speaking Cypriots together.

Sometimes it would be nice if you guys accepted responsibility for Talat's actions rather than always blame the other side. It would make your argument more valid and objective.
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Postby utu » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:54 am

humanist wrote:T_C
I'm sure she isn't Humanist and I'm sorry if I offended you, but still, there are a lot GCs that just couldn't care less about what we think and I find them dangerous...I would not agree with someone who tries to tell me "everything will be ok" when it blatantly wouldn't when theres people like phoenix around. They may be a minority but theres enough of them to make me feel unwelcome in my country in the even that GCs get everything they want.


T_C am not going to say that it is okay. I am getting a bit jacked off by the generalised statements about either side. I have seen some vicious posts by some to the Turkish speaking Cypriots on this forum. I am reserved about mentioning their name because I don't want t be attacked again.

It's whether you want to accept that racism is a big part of both sides and do something about it or you just want to blame and group all Greek speaking Cypriots together.

Sometimes it would be nice if you guys accepted responsibility for Talat's actions rather than always blame the other side. It would make your argument more valid and objective.


Good point about generalizations, Humanist. So the next question is how it is to be combatted?
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Postby zan » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:07 am

phoenix wrote:
shahmaran wrote:Well thats why we got the TRNC, so we dont have to hope to be "accepted" by people like Phoenix, this is our island and our home and who ever doesnt like it then just has to deal with it in their own time and side of the island :lol:


A normal person would want to know what led up to a particular situation.

Up until 1974, (as I have already related to VP) even my best friend was TC . . . you were treated in exactly the same way as GCs.

The events of 1974 and subsequent events to date, have led me to realise you are different . . . because you prefer Turkey, you have always wanted Turkey to be your government . . everything you did led up to the fait accompli.

Nothing you say now will convince me as to what is supposedly changing your minds. Your minds were made up long ago.

The Turk- TCs were ALWAYS pro-Turkey, so stop making excuses as though it's a recent phenomenon. Your actions since 1963, and especially 1974 confirmed that you are different because of what you have done and continue to do to Cyprus.

You don't give a monkey's what I or any GC thinks. You are looking for excuses to validate your Turkishness.


I just wanted to say that this is not even worth replying to and comes straight out of the GR book of total bullshit. :roll:
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Postby zan » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:17 am

humanist wrote:Zan
Thats brilliant mate but now I have a picture in my mind of a cat asking a dog to look after his large steak while he goes and has his teeth checked...


We call ourselves Turks because since 1963 that is exactly what we have been and not allowed to be anything else. We had Cypriotness for three whole years until that dream was destroyed. The "RoC" has defined CYpriotness with its tricks on the UN, and that definition does not include us and that is that. Until you realise what you are asking when you want a declaration of Cypriotness then you will stay confused. That means we do not stand and sing the Greek national anthem. That means we have the required representatives in government, the army and the police. That means that the 13 amendments that Makarios proposed get put back into the constitution and the TCs are allowed their legal rights in voting them in or out.

I have been simplistic in asking for those things and I hope you know now that it is not that simple...We cannot turn back time that easily and the compromises we have to make are hard ones to swallow but swallow we must.

As for being clear....We voted yes on the Annan Plan...How much clearer do you want it...Before Denktas declared our republic he exhausted every avenue but the GC admin played the waiting game and as in the aftermath of the Anna Plan we cannot sit around waiting for you guys to make up your minds or maneuver us into a position where we have no choice. 45 years you have held us under siege Hunmanist and you are still trying to make it look like we have been given a choice.....


As for Talat saying those things...He was slated by the nationalist TCs for saying exactly that but you have no idea of that have you. When I first starting writting on the ATCA Forum, Talat was their enemy for wanting reunification....Even he has had enough now and the people have also. You really need to have a look at what Tpap is doing and stop passing the buck. One more trickster like him after the election and it's all over I am afraid Humanist. I just hope that the GC people realise what exactly is happening here. One more trick or rejection and you will lose the very few TCs you have left that still want reunification. Be warned.




Zan, you cannot help the sarcasm can you? But beyond that I like it when you talk to me nicely like another human being.


This is a great post by the way and yes I agree with all of it. Thank you for ointing out the thing about Talat in your last sentence no I didn't know that. Still I reserve the right not to like him and his current direction.

However it still does not change the questions about Turkish Cypriotness. I don't know whether I have the right to coment on that. Like I said if that is where you want to go then accept responsibility do not blame the rest of Cyprus. That is all I am saying.


A little sarcasm and banter keeps me awake but you lost me back a few months ago when you disappeared and came back chanting the party line of the "RoC" and refused to listen to anything else. It seems that you have calmed down a bit so hopefully we can talk and not shout.

Talats current direction has been dictated by Tpap I am afraid in that the people of the TRNC have had enough. No matter what these politicians are working for the people and they can sack the man tomorrow if they want. That is what is so disturbing about the fact that Tpap even got into power let alone is still there and might even win another term.
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Postby boomerang » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:25 am

Talats current direction has been dictated by Tpap I am afraid in that the people of the TRNC have had enough. No matter what these politicians are working for the people and they can sack the man tomorrow if they want.



:lol: ...and you don't think that the puppet meister is directing the puppet?
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Postby zan » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:30 am

boomerang wrote:
Talats current direction has been dictated by Tpap I am afraid in that the people of the TRNC have had enough. No matter what these politicians are working for the people and they can sack the man tomorrow if they want.



:lol: ...and you don't think that the puppet meister is directing the puppet?



At least we have an excuse if that is the case boomers....What is your excuse for Tpap.... :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby BC Numismatics » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:11 am

phoenix wrote:Turkish Cypriots have NOT become a minority in their own country.

The TCs have ALWAYS been a minority in Cyprus.

What they did was steal half of Cyprus from the Cypriots, apportion themselves the riches left by the ethnically cleansed and briefly enjoyed their moment in the sun. BUT IT WAS NEVER THEIR OWN COUNTRY!

It is an illegally occupied section of Cyprus . . . NOT A COUNTRY!


All that is happening now, is the continued Turkification of part of the EU, first by 40,000 Turkish troops, now their settlers.

Did the TCs really think they could steal part of our country and enjoy it just for themselves forever? :roll:

Well Turkey has other plans, and the TCs have only themselves to blame for the predicament they have put us ALL in.


Too right,Phoenix! We had a similar situation back in 1995 when a gang of Maori Nationalists began camping illegally on Moutoa Gardens (a public park in my home town of Wanganui) & caused a lot of trouble,including subjecting non-Maori people,including myself,to racist threats,for 80 days.I was even threatened by some of them with being bashed up.Even though the subhuman scumbags were forced to leave,there are some that still claim that Moutoa Gardens is their land,when it belongs to the people of Wanganui.One of the Maori Nationalists is the notorious traitor & Hell-bound Britanniphobic racist called Tariana Turia,who is a personal enemy of both my family & myself,as one of her sons is a thief who stole from one of my relatives.There's no way I will ever forgive her.

Here's an article about the subhuman racist; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariana_Turia ,which deliberately makes no mention of her role in pissing off the people of Wanganui,or the Moutoa Gardens occupation,as the article was obviously written by a subhuman racist contributing to Wikipedia.

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Postby zan » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:15 am

BC Numismatics wrote:
phoenix wrote:Turkish Cypriots have NOT become a minority in their own country.

The TCs have ALWAYS been a minority in Cyprus.

What they did was steal half of Cyprus from the Cypriots, apportion themselves the riches left by the ethnically cleansed and briefly enjoyed their moment in the sun. BUT IT WAS NEVER THEIR OWN COUNTRY!

It is an illegally occupied section of Cyprus . . . NOT A COUNTRY!


All that is happening now, is the continued Turkification of part of the EU, first by 40,000 Turkish troops, now their settlers.

Did the TCs really think they could steal part of our country and enjoy it just for themselves forever? :roll:

Well Turkey has other plans, and the TCs have only themselves to blame for the predicament they have put us ALL in.


Too right,Phoenix! We had a similar situation back in 1995 when a gang of Maori Nationalists began camping illegally on Moutoa Gardens (a public park in my home town of Wanganui) & caused a lot of trouble,including subjecting non-Maori people,including myself,to racist threats,for 80 days.I was even threatened by some of them with being bashed up.Even though the subhuman scumbags were forced to leave,there are some that still claim that Moutoa Gardens is their land,when it belongs to the people of Wanganui.One of the Maori Nationalists is the notorious traitor & Hell-bound Britanniphobic racist called Tariana Turia,who is a personal enemy of both my family & myself,as one of her sons is a thief who stole from one of my relatives.There's no way I will ever forgive her.

Here's an article about the subhuman racist; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariana_Turia ,which deliberately makes no mention of her role in pissing off the people of Wanganui,or the Moutoa Gardens occupation,as the article was obviously written by a subhuman racist contributing to Wikipedia.

Aidan.



You just gave me a link to Wiki and claimed that it was accurate in the Armenian Genocide issue...How can one tell what is true and what is not :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Postby BC Numismatics » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:21 am

Zan,the article about the Armenian Genocide was written by an expert who did their homework,as it were.They obviously found information in both Armenia & Turkey in relation to the subject.

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