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[humanist]

Zan

You just can't help yourself can you Humanist...One minute you say that the "RoC does nothing to make us part of it and then you blame Talat for not talking to Tpap.....Can you not see that you are contradicting yourself...

The RoC is not doing enough Zan. At least that is what I believe. But neither are members of the Turkish speaking Community. You need to be clear what you want. This you have not been able to illustrate clearly. On one hand you say you want unification and the next day you proclaim independence, you push for indepenndence and you allign yourselves with Turkey.

You rather call yourelves Turks than Cypriots.

If the issue of settlers becoming a majority in the occupied area as stated by VP and T_C, then am a fool who contradicts himself. If it does then I would suppose that the right thing to do is for papadopoulos to call Talat and say hey dude want inification or not, if you do lets return to the 1960's constitution and save you from disapearing. Right.

Or is it up to Talat to coantct Papadopoulos and say hey mate we got a problem here we are ready to unify lets talk about 1960/s constitution and and how we gonna fix the land issue. Can we have some state land to re-house members of the Turkish speaking community now occupying refugee property or compensate thiose who do not ish to return so that we can save our existence

[humanist]

I think Phoenix has put it very plainly ..... you guys would blame anything on the RoC and are avoiding the issue of what Turkey is trying to do. How dare you expect the RoC whom you despise have nothing positive to say to carry you finacially. Get real.

If the report is tre Turkey is fucking you over and you have no one but yourselves to blame on this one.

Stop being such victims and do something about it. If you don't like the fact that you are being swamped by Turks act now and appropriately, if liek you said you would rather loose your culture and identity then accept it and shut up. Sto always throwing the blame on the RoC your asking them to be in Cyprus then deal with it. Perhaps when you want them to leave the RoC will support you.,

[zan]

Zan

You just can't help yourself can you Humanist...One minute you say that the "RoC does nothing to make us part of it and then you blame Talat for not talking to Tpap.....Can you not see that you are contradicting yourself...

The RoC is not doing enough Zan. At least that is what I believe. But neither are members of the Turkish speaking Community. You need to be clear what you want. This you have not been able to illustrate clearly. On one hand you say you want unification and the next day you proclaim independence, you push for indepenndence and you allign yourselves with Turkey.

You rather call yourelves Turks than Cypriots.

If the issue of settlers becoming a majority in the occupied area as stated by VP and T_C, then am a fool who contradicts himself. If it does then I would suppose that the right thing to do is for papadopoulos to call Talat and say hey dude want inification or not, if you do lets return to the 1960's constitution and save you from disapearing. Right.

Or is it up to Talat to coantct Papadopoulos and say hey mate we got a problem here we are ready to unify lets talk about 1960/s constitution and and how we gonna fix the land issue. Can we have some state land to re-house members of the Turkish speaking community now occupying refugee property or compensate thiose who do not ish to return so that we can save our existence

Thats brilliant mate but now I have a picture in my mind of a cat asking a dog to look after his large steak while he goes and has his teeth checked...


We call ourselves Turks because since 1963 that is exactly what we have been and not allowed to be anything else. We had Cypriotness for three whole years until that dream was destroyed. The "RoC" has defined CYpriotness with its tricks on the UN, and that definition does not include us and that is that. Until you realise what you are asking when you want a declaration of Cypriotness then you will stay confused. That means we do not stand and sing the Greek national anthem. That means we have the required representatives in government, the army and the police. That means that the 13 amendments that Makarios proposed get put back into the constitution and the TCs are allowed their legal rights in voting them in or out.

I have been simplistic in asking for those things and I hope you know now that it is not that simple...We cannot turn back time that easily and the compromises we have to make are hard ones to swallow but swallow we must.

As for being clear....We voted yes on the Annan Plan...How much clearer do you want it...Before Denktas declared our republic he exhausted every avenue but the GC admin played the waiting game and as in the aftermath of the Anna Plan we cannot sit around waiting for you guys to make up your minds or maneuver us into a position where we have no choice. 45 years you have held us under siege Hunmanist and you are still trying to make it look like we have been given a choice.....


As for Talat saying those things...He was slated by the nationalist TCs for saying exactly that but you have no idea of that have you. When I first starting writting on the ATCA Forum, Talat was their enemy for wanting reunification....Even he has had enough now and the people have also. You really need to have a look at what Tpap is doing and stop passing the buck. One more trickster like him after the election and it's all over I am afraid Humanist. I just hope that the GC people realise what exactly is happening here. One more trick or rejection and you will lose the very few TCs you have left that still want reunification. Be warned.

[utu]

Turkish Cypriots have NOT become a minority in their own country.

The TCs have ALWAYS been a minority in Cyprus.

What they did was steal half of Cyprus from the Cypriots, apportion themselves the riches left by the ethnically cleansed and briefly enjoyed their moment in the sun. BUT IT WAS NEVER THEIR OWN COUNTRY!

It is an illegally occupied section of Cyprus . . . NOT A COUNTRY!


All that is happening now, is the continued Turkification of part of the EU, first by 40,000 Turkish troops, now their settlers.

Did the TCs really think they could steal part of our country and enjoy it just for themselves forever?

Well Turkey has other plans, and the TCs have only themselves to blame for the predicament they have put us ALL in.

It it my imagination, or do you have a problem with Turks in general? Given your posts in the thread on Racism in Cyprus, it seems like there is an inconsistancy between what you wrote there, and what you're saying here...

[zan]

Turkish Cypriots have NOT become a minority in their own country.

The TCs have ALWAYS been a minority in Cyprus.

What they did was steal half of Cyprus from the Cypriots, apportion themselves the riches left by the ethnically cleansed and briefly enjoyed their moment in the sun. BUT IT WAS NEVER THEIR OWN COUNTRY!

It is an illegally occupied section of Cyprus . . . NOT A COUNTRY!


All that is happening now, is the continued Turkification of part of the EU, first by 40,000 Turkish troops, now their settlers.

Did the TCs really think they could steal part of our country and enjoy it just for themselves forever?

Well Turkey has other plans, and the TCs have only themselves to blame for the predicament they have put us ALL in.

It it my imagination, or do you have a problem with Turks in general? Given your posts in the thread on Racism in Cyprus, it seems like there is an inconsistancy between what you wrote there, and what you're saying here...

Good point

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

As quite minorities who call themselves Muslim Greeks they are free to do what ever they want

Is that even possible, if a Greek person converts to Muslim is he not a Turk and if a Turkish person converts to Christian is he not Greek.

This is real confusing for me, I thought the only thing that separated GC and TC were religion. Is there such thing as a Greek Muslim, and where would this Greek Muslim be found?

Here's one place.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Muslims .......but that is not what I am talking about. The ones in Crete are not allowed to call themselves Turkish even if they are. They then become Muslims with Greek nationality. Muslim Greeks.

not strictly true! i have a cousin who went to live in kuwait and converted to islam to marry a muslim girl, now he lives back in the roc and no-one troubles him! and i have met turks that have become christians, but they have to remain underground and not show it too much! this is not anyones opinion but a sad fact i`m afraid

[zan]

As quite minorities who call themselves Muslim Greeks they are free to do what ever they want

Is that even possible, if a Greek person converts to Muslim is he not a Turk and if a Turkish person converts to Christian is he not Greek.

This is real confusing for me, I thought the only thing that separated GC and TC were religion. Is there such thing as a Greek Muslim, and where would this Greek Muslim be found?

Here's one place.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Muslims .......but that is not what I am talking about. The ones in Crete are not allowed to call themselves Turkish even if they are. They then become Muslims with Greek nationality. Muslim Greeks.

not strictly true! i have a cousin who went to live in kuwait and converted to islam to marry a muslim girl, now he lives back in the roc and no-one troubles him! and i have met turks that have become christians, but they have to remain underground and not show it too much! this is not anyones opinion but a sad fact i`m afraid

Sorry mate but I did not quite get your point here???

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

As quite minorities who call themselves Muslim Greeks they are free to do what ever they want

Is that even possible, if a Greek person converts to Muslim is he not a Turk and if a Turkish person converts to Christian is he not Greek.

This is real confusing for me, I thought the only thing that separated GC and TC were religion. Is there such thing as a Greek Muslim, and where would this Greek Muslim be found?

Here's one place.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Muslims .......but that is not what I am talking about. The ones in Crete are not allowed to call themselves Turkish even if they are. They then become Muslims with Greek nationality. Muslim Greeks.

not strictly true! i have a cousin who went to live in kuwait and converted to islam to marry a muslim girl, now he lives back in the roc and no-one troubles him! and i have met turks that have become christians, but they have to remain underground and not show it too much! this is not anyones opinion but a sad fact i`m afraid

Sorry mate but I did not quite get your point here???

i was just trying to point out that i know of greeks that are muslims with no real problems both in greece and cyprus, but i dont think that christians have the same freedom of choice in turkey. i wasnt trying to say that they have changed their race but just their religions, if you see what i mean, at the end of the day shouldnt there be a freedom of choice?

[zan]

As quite minorities who call themselves Muslim Greeks they are free to do what ever they want

Is that even possible, if a Greek person converts to Muslim is he not a Turk and if a Turkish person converts to Christian is he not Greek.

This is real confusing for me, I thought the only thing that separated GC and TC were religion. Is there such thing as a Greek Muslim, and where would this Greek Muslim be found?

Here's one place.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Muslims .......but that is not what I am talking about. The ones in Crete are not allowed to call themselves Turkish even if they are. They then become Muslims with Greek nationality. Muslim Greeks.

not strictly true! i have a cousin who went to live in kuwait and converted to islam to marry a muslim girl, now he lives back in the roc and no-one troubles him! and i have met turks that have become christians, but they have to remain underground and not show it too much! this is not anyones opinion but a sad fact i`m afraid

Sorry mate but I did not quite get your point here???

i was just trying to point out that i know of greeks that are muslims with no real problems both in greece and cyprus, but i dont think that christians have the same freedom of choice in turkey. i wasnt trying to say that they have changed their race but just their religions, if you see what i mean, at the end of the day shouldnt there be a freedom of choice?

Totally agree but there is a difference in the Muslim faith it is actually a sin to convert so the converters have to face the music....If I had my way I would make everyone convert to having a brain and no religion but that would be hoping for a miracle and that defeats the object.....

The comments I made were not about religion as such but of the freedom to call yourself by your own nationality or birthright anyway.

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

As quite minorities who call themselves Muslim Greeks they are free to do what ever they want

Is that even possible, if a Greek person converts to Muslim is he not a Turk and if a Turkish person converts to Christian is he not Greek.

This is real confusing for me, I thought the only thing that separated GC and TC were religion. Is there such thing as a Greek Muslim, and where would this Greek Muslim be found?

Here's one place.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Muslims .......but that is not what I am talking about. The ones in Crete are not allowed to call themselves Turkish even if they are. They then become Muslims with Greek nationality. Muslim Greeks.

not strictly true! i have a cousin who went to live in kuwait and converted to islam to marry a muslim girl, now he lives back in the roc and no-one troubles him! and i have met turks that have become christians, but they have to remain underground and not show it too much! this is not anyones opinion but a sad fact i`m afraid

Sorry mate but I did not quite get your point here???

i was just trying to point out that i know of greeks that are muslims with no real problems both in greece and cyprus, but i dont think that christians have the same freedom of choice in turkey. i wasnt trying to say that they have changed their race but just their religions, if you see what i mean, at the end of the day shouldnt there be a freedom of choice?

Totally agree but there is a difference in the Muslim faith it is actually a sin to convert so the converters have to face the music....I would make everyIf I had my way one convert to having a brain and no religion but that would be hoping for a miracle and that defeats the object.....

The comments I made were not about religion as such but of the freedom to call yourself by your own nationality or birthright anyway.

agree with you about the religion bit! by the way christians who leave the fold also are punishable! so islam has nothing new there! just that muslims are more hardline i think it would be fair to say, if you read the bible and then the koran you would find that much of the koran is taken from the bible anyway! they just added a few more shiney camels and virgins in heaven