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Turkish Cypriots have become a minority in their own country

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby phoenix » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:58 pm

sweetie pie wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Why are you guys so suprised? Phoenix has the courage to say how the majority of GCs view us TCs, foreigners in our own country, who canonly stay if the GCs say so. Wise up TCs we have our own country recognized or not it much better than uniting with a Phoenix mentality therefore redereing to yourselves to GC whims.


Having lived on this island for quite a while and talking to many Cypriots about the problems then I do not think the majority of the Greek speaking Cypriots do feel as Phoenix. They look on the Turkish speaking Cypriots as their brothers. Its the Turkish that they have a problem with.


I distinguish between Turks, Turk-TCs and TCs. It is Viewpoint who groups them all together as Turks . . . and then when I say I hate Turks, he assures everybody that means every TC going as well.

They are good at that sort of thing, the Turks :wink:
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Postby RebelWithoutAPause » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:58 pm

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plus shes right we've always been a minority so it doesn't make a difference weather it's a Turkish majority or Greek and out the 2 I choose the Turks...


Just goes to show most Turkish Cypriots are Turkish first before Cypriot. This T_C guy has no respect for other Cypriots ot the islands culture or heritage. He's another land-grabbing Turk.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:01 am

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humanist wrote:The question to the proud Turkish speaking Cypriot remains what are your views on soon becoming a minority in your own country?


These people are our origins, which is Turkish...our Cypriot brothers tried to stab us in the back, all Turkey has done for us is put food on our plates, she not only protects us but supports us financially, you do not bite the hand that feeds you humanist. People who choose to live in the TRNC and become citizens are my people regardless of their ethnic origins, as long as they abide by our laws and respect each other we have no problems.

Can you see or understand the difference? The Turks have supported us in every way possible whereas GCs have only tired to sell us out to Greece isolate, discriminate and persecute us for being TCs.


VP, I have a proposal to make to you, which I am sure every other GC and our leadership will accept without any problems or objections.

The proposal is the following:

1.] We agree that the Turkish troops withdraw to the 18.4% of Cyprus and the maximum 25% of the coastlines, and the remaining 17.6% of the now occupied areas will pass to the control of the UN, with a resolution guaranteed under chapter 7 of the UN Charter.

2.] There will be no forceful movement or expulsion of TC population from these areas, nor there will be any GC re-settlement into these areas, out of which the Turkish troops will withdraw.

3.] We will negotiate for a fixed term of one year, so that we examine the prospects of reaching a re-unification solution on the basis of a BBF.

4.] We agree that after the end of this one year time-table (I know you like this word) for negotiations, if there is still no agreement between the two communities for re-unification, we will close the re-unification chapter, call the quits and both sides accept recognized partition, simultaneously with the return by the UN to the RoC of the areas which will be in its control since 1 year earlier.

5.] Those TCs residing in the areas that will be returned by the UN to the RoC, will have an option to either stay as RoC citizens that they are, under a revised constitution on the basis of one man one vote -i.e. without separate TC communal rights; or they will have the right to move into the 18.4% of the areas which will form the recognized independed TC state ("TRNC.")

6.] The international community will provide funding for the re-settlement of these people, as well as for any compensation to GCs that will permanently lose their properties situated inside the recognized "TRNC!"

7.] The RoC will agree not to have any saying or objections to your membership as a separate country into any international organization or into the EU.



How do you find such an agreement, would you and the leadership of your community agree to it, and if not, please explain why?

Any other TC is free to express their opinion of the above, within the framework of the above questions placed for VP to answer.


Kifeas I applaud your vision and agree with the timetable put forward which with our past history of negotiation skills is vital to reaching an outcome.

Where I do have a problem is the 18% which as you know is disputed by the TCs, why not have an independent board of experts examine all claims and decide how correct this figure exactly is, if found in your favor then we would have to abide, if not then you would have to accept the outcome. Why not also allow for GCs who wish to live in the TRNC that right? this would also increase the size of the north.
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Postby T_C » Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:40 am

RebelWithoutAPause wrote:T_C wrote
plus shes right we've always been a minority so it doesn't make a difference weather it's a Turkish majority or Greek and out the 2 I choose the Turks...


Just goes to show most Turkish Cypriots are Turkish first before Cypriot. This T_C guy has no respect for other Cypriots ot the islands culture or heritage. He's another land-grabbing Turk.


Ofcourse I choose the Turks, specially after reading GCs views on us and how we supposedly caused everything and all they did was fight for their "liberation" :roll: ....I find some GCs views scary and even if you were 100% right I would STILL prefer partition because I don't want to live with people where the majority share these views.

And OFCOURSE I am Turkish first...and proud! :D

Just like 90% of GCs are GREEK first! You represent GREEKS, which is why the Greek flag flies all over the south and why you even sing their national anthem...is that a problem for most GCs..NO! Do they even think "why are we singing Greeces national anthem?" NO. Because they are Greeks first!

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Postby T_C » Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:23 am

I'm not coming to this section of the forum no more!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:
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Postby RebelWithoutAPause » Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:08 am

Ofcourse I choose the Turks, specially after reading GCs views on us and how we supposedly caused everything and all they did was fight for their "liberation" Rolling Eyes ....I find some GCs views scary and even if you were 100% right I would STILL prefer partition because I don't want to live with people where the majority share these views.


No what you seem to have a problem accepting is the version of events of history which goes against the simplified propaganda continually pushed by Turkey. Greek Cypriots were fighting for their liberation in the 1950's until the conditional 'independance' forced on by their imperial rulers Great Britain. Read history, the first innocent deaths between the two communities were commited by Turkish Cypriots on Greek Cypriots in Gunyeli in 1958. The only Turkish Cypriots killed by Greek Cypriots before then were those that fought on the side of the British Empire who would harrass Greek Cypriots or in some cases cause their execution by arresting them. No Greek Cypriot with common sense says that Turkish Cypriots caused everything but it seems you want to hold them from their human rights and use lies to do so. In this case, of course you are going to get Greek Cypriots who get 'pissed' by this. Its common sense. You would prefer to go with the ridiculous version of events that Greek Cypriots supposedly were slaughtering Turkish Cypriots for no reason and the Turkish army came in to save the Turkish Cypriots AND Greek Cypriots lol.

And OFCOURSE I am Turkish first...and proud! Very Happy

Just like 90% of GCs are GREEK first! You represent GREEKS, which is why the Greek flag flies all over the south and why you even sing their national anthem...is that a problem for most GCs..NO! Do they even think "why are we singing Greeces national anthem?" NO. Because they are Greeks first!


We are ethnically Greek but our culture is distinct from that of mainland Greece. Most Greek Cypriots accept they are Greek ethnically but want to preserve their Cypriot culture and heritage on the island. Most Turkish Cypriots would prefer to carry on erradicating the Cypriot heritage in the north and keep it as an extention of Turkey. There is a difference. For example, you never see anything to do with the Republic of Cyprus government being represent with the flag of Greece. Yet the Turkish Cypriot administration in the north, while harping on how they supposedly want independence, is represented with both the 'TRNC' flag and the flag of Turkey. They even have symbols and pictures of Ataturk everywhre...what did he have to do with Cyprus? As far as i know, i dont think he ever set foot on Cyprus did he???

Can Turkish Cypriots even be bothered to look at examples of hardships that have arrisen in other countries after British imperialism which are of similar nature to Cyprus? Can you even be bothered to ask why it seems Turkey has so many enemy neighbours? No. Like you, they like toeing the Turkish propaganda line and keeping ignorant and extremely nationalistic because it suits them. You would prefer to keep what doesnt belong to you and keep people from their human rights in their own home because you dont have the brain capacity or moral stature to question the facism from Turkey. The Greek flag represents the ethnicities of those that feel one with the people from the Greek mainland. Do you HONESTLY think that most of the Greek Cypriot people still want union with the Greek state?? Do you have the brain capacity to lump the Greek Cypriot community with EOKA B and the Greek junta coup?? Or is it convenient for you to lie and say that Greek Cypriots wanted union with Greece in 1974.

Are you intelligent T_C? Do you have the bottle to read up on the history at that time and find out what the CIA was doing then or Henry Kissinger?? Do you think the Greek Cypriot people supported EOKA B at that time??

The differences between then and now is that the people of Greece did not support the Greek junta government and overthrew it and condemn their actions. While Turkish people, including Turkish 'Cypriots' blindly support anything done by the Turkish government and military without questioning their actions.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:18 am

T_C wrote:I'm not coming to this section of the forum no more!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:


Don't give up TC, you are a representative of the TC youth, you must be heard. You can learn from the GC posts why there will never be a solution where we live mixed together. The best solution is agreed partition for return of land as we are not allowed any alternative choices by GCs who still think 1963 to 1974 was a heaven on earth for TCs. The we are all Cypriots policy many GCs have suddenly adopted is just a facade for the real intentions of forcing their domination and taking away our community rights.
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Postby humanist » Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:00 am

He is offering the 18% of what the UN and EU member RoC -the only recognized legal state entity on this island, has the title deeds on its name! Of course, in a lowlife outlaws, crooks, assholes and thieves culture, out of which you seem to perfectly come from; when one steals something, it is assumed that he automatically has the “ownership” of it; but in real life this is not the case!


Thank you kifeas, I couldn't have put it better or clearer myself. :):):):):):):):):):):)
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Postby RebelWithoutAPause » Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:15 pm

Don't give up TC, you are a representative of the TC youth, you must be heard. You can learn from the GC posts why there will never be a solution where we live mixed together. The best solution is agreed partition for return of land as we are not allowed any alternative choices by GCs who still think 1963 to 1974 was a heaven on earth for TCs. The we are all Cypriots policy many GCs have suddenly adopted is just a facade for the real intentions of forcing their domination and taking away our community rights


...and then you get knobs like this guy who manipulate what is said. If a Greek Cypriot tries to explain how theyre community were not totally guilty between 1963-1874 (9 years in history - thats all TC's seem to harp on about), you get an asshole like this who says things like "by GCs who still think 1963 to 1974 was a heaven on earth for TCs".
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Postby zan » Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:30 pm

T_C wrote:
RebelWithoutAPause wrote:T_C wrote
plus shes right we've always been a minority so it doesn't make a difference weather it's a Turkish majority or Greek and out the 2 I choose the Turks...


Just goes to show most Turkish Cypriots are Turkish first before Cypriot. This T_C guy has no respect for other Cypriots ot the islands culture or heritage. He's another land-grabbing Turk.


Ofcourse I choose the Turks, specially after reading GCs views on us and how we supposedly caused everything and all they did was fight for their "liberation" :roll: ....I find some GCs views scary and even if you were 100% right I would STILL prefer partition because I don't want to live with people where the majority share these views.

And OFCOURSE I am Turkish first...and proud! :D

Just like 90% of GCs are GREEK first! You represent GREEKS, which is why the Greek flag flies all over the south and why you even sing their national anthem...is that a problem for most GCs..NO! Do they even think "why are we singing Greeces national anthem?" NO. Because they are Greeks first!

:roll:


I played a game with my family on christmas day called "BUZZ". It's a quiz show based game. On one of the rounds you get to chose which country you want to answer questions on and I chose Cyprus when the option came up. When you chose a country a plane flies from where ever it is on the board to it's destination. Whilst it is flying the national anthem of that country plays......Guess what was played for Cyprus :wink: :evil: :evil: This is a play station game. No significance you say...It's just a game??????????
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