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[humanist]

Driven out of Cyprus by EOKA and Makarios. Kept out by TPap.

Driven out by Turkish Cypriot army and Turkey invasion of Cyprus in 1974 and kept out by Talat and his supporters.


Same shit different arsehole

[Viewpoint]

humanist first of all thank you for your honest answers..

VP yes I am that you are choosing Turkey over Cyprus. I don't see it as patriotic and lacks committment to the land that I call home.

I am choosing Turkey becıase Cyprus for TCs never worked for reasons we have discussed in the past, even today TCs do not feel part of the "RoC" you GCs call Cyprus, our Cyprus is the TRNC which we feel is home and where we belong. We had a chance to build a Cypriot nation back in 1960 and blew it, the island has changed forever and will never be the same, if we want to unite its really simple both sides have to compromise and if that means one side more than the other than all be it from a TC perspective but this is not reciprocated by GCs thats why we have no solution.

Yes I am genuine abut wanting peace on the Island and yes I want the opportunity to live among Turkish speaking Cypriots and learn not only the language but the traditions and customs also. If I am burrying my head in the sand with my utopia well thats what I am doing, because if I can live 3 doors down from a Turk now Ican do so in my own country with my compatriot.

As I have said before you obviously have good intentions but you are a tiny minority with little to no impact the Phoenixs and boomerangs rule your side.

VP if I were a TC (its really a hypothetical) but no I wouldn't choose the violence of 1963 to 1974 and probably the discrimination or the poverty that goes with that.

This tells me that you understand where we are coming from and why we are so mistrusting of GCs real intentions.

1974 to 2007 no I wouldn't choose that because from 74 till 2004 no I wouldn't choose the imprisonment of living under a dictator, whose only aim was to control and manipulate the massess because he could. With the power of Turkey behind him because she too is exploiting the masses under pretence. And this is the case because if Turkey was serious about the AP and a solution to the Cypro. Turkey would have recomended giving up any hold over Cyprus and recomended an independent nation to take the place of guarantor. Not that I personally agree with a guarantor because if we cannot work it out then we may as well be living separately. Please don't come back and say we can not live together because as you know lots and lots of TC's cross the line everyday and on most part there are no problems.

Turkey played the GCs into thinking that she had everything via the AP, she had to give 8% of the land back, reduce her troops to 650, allow a federal government between TCs and GCs, I still feel the GCs missed a big opportunity to agree a settlement but instead the dream of an EU solution and crying traitor told them to wait for something better which now you can clearly see will never arrive as they have passed us back to the UN.

After the 1974 the TCs started to breath again, not under a cloud of GC domination and discrimination, we escaped the GC prision and with the help of Turkey started to build a country of our own away from you guys, recognition we can live without but contentment and peace we cannot.

TCs work in th south and the reason for no trouble could be that it would stick out like a sore thumb, no else to blame but GCs in a GC state run by GCs.

I do agree with you that the gap is getting wider and both Talat and Papadopoulos are equally responsible for that.

I agree but being the recognized side do you not think your leader could have been more proactive or exposed Talat for delaying.

I think if you actually stop for a moment you will find that everyone on your hit list Phoenix, Boomers, Kifeas and Piratis all want one thing and that is a unification of our country. No one has ever said no to Unification and none of them advocate for nothing else than all Cypriots living in peace and unity. Sure they have gone off the handle a few times as i have and you have but the overal essense of their debate is for a unified Cyprus and like them I hate Turkey and its so called intervention and interests in Cyprus.

You miss the point, they want unficaiton on their terms and without compromise, with our community rights removed and us reduced to minority status, these we will never accept and prefer to stay unrecognized in the TRNC forever, thats how strongly we feel, we want an effective say in our own future where we have the right to say no and stop GCs from taking us down a route we do not want to go.

[boomerang]

re humanist the settler is telling you, he is a turk and you are telling him he is a Cypriot...I don't know as to why you bother with this settler...


PS...If the nth gets annexed, this settler will be forging papers, from his wife's site so he can live in the RoC...blind freddy can see his mentality...whats mine is mine and whats yours is mine...this is why his always moaning about the plan...and just to prove my point this settler voted no to the Annan plan anyway...

[humanist]

VP, firstly you are welcome.

I am choosing Turkey bec?ase Cyprus for TCs never worked for reasons we have discussed in the past, even today TCs do not feel part of the "RoC" you GCs call Cyprus, our Cyprus is the TRNC which we feel is home and where we belong. We had a chance to build a Cypriot nation back in 1960 and blew it, the island has changed forever and will never be the same, if we want to unite its really simple both sides have to compromise and if that means one side more than the other than all be it from a TC perspective but this is not reciprocated by GCs thats why we have no solution.

VP I cannot understand it at all how you can choose to Turkey and at times sayyou are Turkish as oposed to Cypriot as I don't understand half of my village when they claim to be Greek and not Cypriot. Of course the TC's today don't feel part of the RoC because they obviously choose to live in a place that is out of the control of the government of the RoC.

Your Cyprus may be the place you call the trnc but my friend

that trnc is also what I call my ancestral home and you are not allowing me or my family the rights to live in my home. Allow me the right to return as welll as thousands of others and I really don't give a hoot what you call it. am happy chappy


VP thank you for acknowledging that I understand but really I am trying hard. I can appreciate there is mistrust of Greek speaking Cypriots indeed.

Like I said earlier the fact that there would have been 650 soldiers left it tells power, control, and dictation. It wouldn't be nice having that reversed to 650 Greek soldiers. I personally find both repulsive. And I belong to two diferent minority groups myself. I also want to say that a unification where the harts of the two people are not the essense of it I rather we do not unify. If the oil or the EU are the driving force I much rather things stay as they are.

I am not here to stand up or defend phoenix, piratis, kifeas or anyone else you named earlier, but I would say just like you have mistrust of Greek speaking Cypriots we have of Turkey and perhaps if you feel you need protection then an independent nation go as guarantor though like I said before I hate the notion of a daddy (:) though that could be fun:):):):) ....).

just a few toughts

btw I thank the current residents of the home they have done a great job in maintaining it and beautifying it, as well as my aunts accross the road.

[Viewpoint]

humanist

VP I cannot understand it at all how you can choose to Turkey and at times sayyou are Turkish as oposed to Cypriot as I don't understand half of my village when they claim to be Greek and not Cypriot. Of course the TC's today don't feel part of the RoC because they obviously choose to live in a place that is out of the control of the government of the RoC.

I always claim that I am a proud Turkish Cypriot. I am totally comfortable with both my Turkish origins and Cypriot identity being someone who lives on this island.

Why do we live outside of the "RoC" do you ask yourself that? You know the chain of events that led up to division, if we for arguments sake apportion blame equally then we have to find a way out which is a solution where compromise is the key, not a solution where GCs get 100% of what they want.

Your Cyprus may be the place you call the trnc but my friend
that trnc is also what I call my ancestral home and you are not allowing me or my family the rights to live in my home. Allow me the right to return as welll as thousands of others and I really don't give a hoot what you call it. am happy chappy

humanist you have every right to relate to the TRNC which ever way you wish but the reality is division, you may visit and even settle here when ever you wish, there are GCs living in the TRNC right now.

VP thank you for acknowledging that I understand but really I am trying hard. I can appreciate there is mistrust of Greek speaking Cypriots indeed.

This is the reason why TCs are so apprehensive that all GCs want is land and domination of the whole island. We do not want to feel as you do in a foreign land being ruled purely by GCs there has to be a balance that will insure we are not pushed to one side and that we have a say in our own future.

Like I said earlier the fact that there would have been 650 soldiers left it tells power, control, and dictation. It wouldn't be nice having that reversed to 650 Greek soldiers. I personally find both repulsive. And I belong to two diferent minority groups myself. I also want to say that a unification where the harts of the two people are not the essense of it I rather we do not unify. If the oil or the EU are the driving force I much rather things stay as they are

The numbers are very symbolic as there would also be 950 Gc soldiers. The oil issue is pie in the sky and the EU has passed the buck to the UN which is the AP.

I am not here to stand up or defend phoenix, piratis, kifeas or anyone else you named earlier, but I would say just like you have mistrust of Greek speaking Cypriots we have of Turkey and perhaps if you feel you need protection then an independent nation go as guarantor though like I said before I hate the notion of a daddy ( though that could be fun:) ....).

You should say something against these GCs as you do not see eye to eye, keeping silent supports their mentality and fuels their desire to maintain the policies which are the product of today.

You have every right to mistrust us and Turks thats why I do not only ask for safeguards for my community but also yours to ensure we do not take measure that will negatively effect the other community.

[zan]

Driven out of Cyprus by EOKA and Makarios. Kept out by TPap.

Driven out by Turkish Cypriot army and Turkey invasion of Cyprus in 1974 and kept out by Talat and his supporters.


Same shit different arsehole

If the arsehole hadn't done it to me first then your arsehole would be singing a different tune.....

[cymart]

Rafaella-where did you live in Varosha?You can visit our site on msn groups 'return to famagustavarosha' and see lots of photos both old and very recent, films,letters,my now famous map and the google earth satellite photos which will probably show your house from the air-and which infuriated the Turkish Military!
Let's try to be cheerful and optimistic that there will be real changes here for the better in February and we can finally close down that site as Dave originally hoped to within a year when we started it!Viva Irini-Baris ve Dostluk yasasin!

[humanist]

Booms I am by no means, advocating for separation or annexation and the fact that VP does not wish to let go of his identity as Turkish Cypriot just like many Greek speaking Cypriots are not ready to let go of that identity and form a united identity that is Cypriot, tells me that we as people are not ready to unite and live together.

Given that my ancestral home is taken from me and my human rights are violated by the Turkish Cypriot regime I refuse to recognise the trnc, will continue to do so and I support economic embargoes. In the meantime I would like to understand where Turkish Cypiots come from. If VP is a settler and his laughing at my expense well that makes him a liar first and makes me the fool. Hey I lost half my country as is am going to allow a settler laughing behind my back affect me.

The question which none of the TC's have taken to answer still remains. Are you happy to loose your culture and history to Turkey even if you got recognition and independence? It really is a clear answer yes/ no and then ad your reason as to why.

But that has been answered both by VP and T_C and their answer is yes. Do I get it NO do understand it NO. However I can understand T_C' answer to yes because by his own admission he is a Turk and ofcourse VP is British really or even perhaps a Turk if he is trully a settler. I guess we'll never really know.

[oranos64]

Yes, and you trying to bring Enosis while butchering entire villages has nothing to do with it? Did you really think you can ignore our existence and decide who we are going to be? I don't think so madam, your arrogance has cost you half the island, and all you should be doing right now is banging your head against the walls thinking about how stupid and selfish you were.

It was your GREED that brought us here not us.

History wouldn't even remember our existence if Turkey had not intervened and who ever was left alive would be fighting for their simplest rights under your rule, just like the Thracian Turks are doing as we speak, but instead we get to live in peace for the past 33 years and it is only going to get better.

Turks are always blamed for fighting for their freedom, yet everyone does it, but the only difference is that we usually win and have to deal with the aftermath and tears of the opposers, but not everyone else gets that far. Get over it

sorry mate ...and you lot did nothing you didnt kill any greek cypriots ,you didnt have members of your community who coluded with british forces before and after the independence to butcher cypriots ,,,,no greek cypriots were shot or stabbed to death in your areas

come on ....as much as you point your finger at the pro greeks ...you did your fair bit of slaughtering

can we not also point to periods after turkish hand over to brits when cypritos were killed ....

you turkish cypriots always play at being the victums crying about the past yet you want us to forgive your atrocities ....

your community is on last legs and if all goes well the truth is becoming more and more apparent ...the only cypriots on the island are the greek cypriots ...the north is awash with inbreed criminals and other trash from the mainland ....

close the borders

[shahmaran]

Uranus, i will refuse to get into a serious debate with you until you start talking like a human being instead of a baboon with a stick up its arse, until you do so, i will just take the pleasure of bollocking you to the ground like the piece of shit you really are


Close the borders indeed!