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[humanist]

you two are blowing your own trumpets.

As an educated man with a doubl major degree in sociology and anthropolgy. I still say it is bloody shame, whether you get recognition or not.

You want to trun this into a debate against Greek speaking Cypriots do it. I am merely saying you are the biggets loosers either way and I would like to see that not happenning.

[zan]

you two are blowing your own trumpets.

As an educated man with a doubl major degree in sociology and anthropolgy. I still say it is bloody shame, whether you get recognition or not.

You want to trun this into a debate against Greek speaking Cypriots do it. I am merely saying you are the biggets loosers either way and I would like to see that not happenning.

With you on the last point Humanist.......Perhaps a re-education on understanding the warnings and he feelings of fellow human beings is overdue.....



I know Iknow...Sarcasm again but try to understand will you....I did ask you not to take it personally I really have not met a TC that will not echo what we have told you. We have been given two options and though not ideal the statement I made still stands...

[humanist]

Zan like I said and you may find it difficult to accept that a greek speaking Cypriot may be genuine about the risk the Turkish speaking Cypriot fate may be, but as I care about the disapearance of the tribal cultures of PNG I care about the fate of the Turkish speaking community, culture and social development.

Yes I hear what you and other Turkish speaking Cypriots may want. That is not in question by me. What I am merely saying is that it is a bloody shame. Whether you want to allow me to feel that the Turkish speaking Cypriot communities existence in Cyprus is part of my culture or not that is a different storry.

Btw, I have met Cypriots on my last trip there who live in the north and let me assure you their views were very different. This particulara family consider themselves very much Cypriot and cannot stand the idea of settlers and the issues that comes with that. They would like to see a unified Cyprus and furthermore, have been targets of the grey Woolves because of their standing.

[boomerang]

Recognition ain't gonna come...Turkey has seen to that the day she no to the yanks...Coz if she said yes today it would have been a different story...Better thank the turks for sealing your future...Turkey will never allow you to become independant..You are outnumbered already...They are harrasing you to give 50,000 people residency...

Saying this, why don't the tcs come clean and ask for annexation...


Is it because the thought scares the living daylights out of you?

[zan]

Zan like I said and you may find it difficult to accept that a greek speaking Cypriot may be genuine about the risk the Turkish speaking Cypriot fate may be, but as I care about the disapearance of the tribal cultures of PNG I care about the fate of the Turkish speaking community, culture and social development.

Yes I hear what you and other Turkish speaking Cypriots may want. That is not in question by me. What I am merely saying is that it is a bloody shame. Whether you want to allow me to feel that the Turkish speaking Cypriot communities existence in Cyprus is part of my culture or not that is a different storry.

Btw, I have met Cypriots on my last trip there who live in the north and let me assure you their views were very different. This particulara family consider themselves very much Cypriot and cannot stand the idea of settlers and the issues that comes with that. They would like to see a unified Cyprus and furthermore, have been targets of the grey Woolves because of their standing.

I appreciate you caring Humanist an the fact that you might have come across people that have expressed those feelings but the details are what matters. I have told you that I would like unification but the conditions are not acceptable to you. You have to follow he full thread of thought before you conclude what we can and can't have. And as Boomers has asked.....If push comes to shove then annexation is a possibility as well. Turkey can't do this though so Boomers scare tactics are for little children. Turkey would have to fall out with a lot of people before it would do that at great cost to relations all around the world.

[boomerang]

And as Boomers has asked.....If push comes to shove then annexation is a possibility as well. Turkey can't do this though so Boomers scare tactics are for little children. Turkey would have to fall out with a lot of people before it would do that at great cost to relations all around the world.

Zan, you are a dreamer...they are already running the nth...Talat can't do shit without the turks...It wasn't long ago your so called prime minister was told to show his turkishness...and you call this scare tactics...Name one bold move by your authorities...name one initiative by your authorities...
Me thinks you are reading childrens books...

Annexation scares the living daylights out of you and you don't want to admit it...simple as that...This is the reason your authorities are saying no to the 50,000 turkey wants you to give them residency...It will be all over...not that you are that far behind...

Ask for annexation, you never know your luck in the big city...go for it...

[zan]

And as Boomers has asked.....If push comes to shove then annexation is a possibility as well. Turkey can't do this though so Boomers scare tactics are for little children. Turkey would have to fall out with a lot of people before it would do that at great cost to relations all around the world.

Zan, you are a dreamer...they are already running the nth...Talat can't do shit without the turks...It wasn't long ago your so called prime minister was told to show his turkishness...and you call this scare tactics...Name one bold move by your authorities...name one initiative by your authorities...
Me thinks you are reading childrens books...

Annexation scares the living daylights out of you and you don't want to admit it...simple as that...This is the reason your authorities are saying no to the 50,000 turkey wants you to give them residency...It will be all over...not that you are that far behind...

Ask for annexation, you never know your luck in the big city...go for it...

If you are going to ask me a question and then proceed to answer it yourself Boomers then please open another thread and I will leave you to it. We are a practical people and will adapt to what ever comes our way but we will not give in.

The charade you saw, and interpreted in your own sweet way, was not the whole story and if you watched with an open mind you would have noticed that the reason Talat was asked to show his Turkishness was because he made a stand against the Army. So you see, if you care to look you will find your answer. What Talat does is has o be in line with Turkish interests and it is called diplomacy. Sure we get bullied but it is you guys keeping us under siege that is taking the power away from us on the international arena.....Then you have the cheek to say we cannot do anything without Turkey Perhaps we don't want o and as time has shown our interests lie with Turkey.

The fact hat Tpap makes out that he is not acting with Greece's "Advise" is another little trick that you have fallen for also.....

[utu]

Btw, I have met Cypriots on my last trip there who live in the north and let me assure you their views were very different. This particulara family consider themselves very much Cypriot and cannot stand the idea of settlers and the issues that comes with that. They would like to see a unified Cyprus and furthermore, have been targets of the grey Woolves because of their standing.

That is what I have been trying to tell expatkiwi regarding the issue of recognition. The settlers and their numbers have basically eroded any proper Cypriot identity that the Turkish Cypriots had, thus the north of the island is being culturally assimilated into Anatolia, and thus Turkey. Changing the demographic equals annexation, not independence. Retaining the Cypriot identity means for those in the north to reach out to the other Cypriots - those South of the Green Line.

[phoenix]

Btw, I have met Cypriots on my last trip there who live in the north and let me assure you their views were very different. This particulara family consider themselves very much Cypriot and cannot stand the idea of settlers and the issues that comes with that. They would like to see a unified Cyprus and furthermore, have been targets of the grey Woolves because of their standing.

That is what I have been trying to tell expatkiwi regarding the issue of recognition. The settlers and their numbers have basically eroded any proper Cypriot identity that the Turkish Cypriots had, thus the north of the island is being culturally assimilated into Anatolia, and thus Turkey. Changing the demographic equals annexation, not independence. Retaining the Cypriot identity means for those in the north to reach out to the other Cypriots - those South of the Green Line.

Good post utu . . . I concur.

The TCs will never get the "community rights" they hanker from Turkey that's for sure. They are also going to see their Democratic and Human Rights ignored too!

[humanist]

humanist you have to come to terms with the knowledge that Turks vs Greek Cypriots with their current mindset Turks win hands down, no competition. So all this shit about Turkey does not cut ice with us, Gcs need to do a lot of soul search as to why they do not want to share the island as 2 equal communities with equal political rights, what have they got to fear unless they have other things in mind which is what we truly believe nad why they avoid any form of structure where we can so no.

VP I really don't get you. At all I am beginning to feel there is so much hate and racism within your community that you can't even see a genuine individual when there appears to be one. If you see this as them and us and you want to win that is fine.