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[Agios Amvrosios]

What I think AA is doing is to directly link political representation to how much is 'paid in'. His argument seems to be 'if you want political equality you should be prepared to pay equally as well (in absolute terms not relative terms).Personaly I do not like this linkage at least in its pure direct form.

If there is no bird seed the canary doesn't sing.

[erolz]

If there is no bird seed the canary doesn't sing.

Very poetic. How about addressing the issue?

Do you think political representation should be linked to finacial contribution as a principle or not? A yes or no would be welcome (though not excpected).

[Piratis]

Personaly I would prefer a 'progressive' system (like that used in the EU) where those that are 'richer' pay in more than they take out and those that are 'poorer' take out more than they pay in ...

This sounds fair to me. I have no problem if the poor take a lot more. the distinction though should be poor VS rich. Not TCs VS GCs.

Also I have no problem to put more money in order to bring the currently occupied Cyprus up to the level of the free areas. What I have a problem with is a racial group to get more because of their race, and not because of their needs/contribution.

[erolz]

Actually I am sure that the reason you need that 50% power is to be able to grab a lot more than 18% in all kind of things, including income.

this is why I will personally never accept for the 18% to have an unlimited 50% power on everything.

That is a function of the fact that you have convinved yourself that the Cyprus problem is one caused by TC being 'theives' that simply want to steal from GC. With such a world view and approach to the Cyprus problem inevitably you see anything as an attempt of TC to 'steal'. We 'let' GC kill us and drive us from our homes and force us into enclaves - as far as your world view goes - for 11 years all as part of a long term startegy to steal from GC. That seesm to be a consistent theme in your postings as far as I can see / interpret. If you believe that everyone (every TC) wants to steal from you it's hardly surprising that you see theives everywhere.

[Piratis]

Do you think political representation should be linked to finacial contribution as a principle or not?

No you can not buy political power. (at least you shouldn't be). Political power should be equal for each person no matter how rich he/she is, or what race he/she is.

[erolz]

This sounds fair to me. I have no problem if the poor take a lot more. the distinction though should be poor VS rich. Not TCs VS GCs.

Also I have no problem to put more money in order to bring the currently occupied Cyprus up to the level of the free areas. What I have a problem with is a racial group to get more because of their race, and not because of their needs/contribution.

As individulas this is how it worsk - rich and poor get same political representation but pay differently (in every country I know off). As states this is how it works. RoC gets equal representation on some issue (and even where it does not it gets disproption to its number representation) in the EU vs richer states. Why then should it not also work this way between component states in a federal based solution?

The concept of nation state is based on race/citizenship - as much as the component state concept in a federation is.

[garbitsch]

What Piratis thinks, is that there is only one Cypriot nation and the Cyprus island should be a federal republic, just like USA. US federalism is not based on ethnicity, but based on the size of the country- fourth biggest in the world. Cyprus case is similar to Belgium. There are two different ethnic communities in Cyprus. Nobody blames the people of Belgium racists, when they are divided as Walonian and Flemish. No matter of the number of people they belong to each ethnic group, they are politically equal. We are not claiming absolute equality with Greek Cypriots as we said before. But Piratis keeps changing the topic into something else that pisses the Turkish Cypriots off.

[Piratis]

Erolz, if you owned the part of land, and we wanted to form a union with you, then your point would be valid. If we didn't agree, then no union, no problem.

In Cyprus today legally there is only RoC. There is no federation. So ok, we make a compromise to have a federation, this doesn't mean we have to agree on the kind of federation (confederation actually) that you want.

So don't confuse EU which is a union of independent states and not a country, with Cyprus.

[garbitsch]

So don't confuse EU which is a union of independent states and not a country, with Cyprus.

No you are wrong. The EU member states are no more independent in major areas. EU is a quasi-federal organisation.

[Piratis]

There are two different ethnic communities in Cyprus.

Maybe, but no community owns any specific part of the country. So no community has the right to ethnically cleanse one part of the country to create its own federal state. Do you think that this is what happened in Belgium?

Therefore, you have no right to demand federation. We are ready to compromise for it, but not just any kind of federation. If we don't agree, then the only legal thing remains is RoC.