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[Nikitas]

Cymart,

You equate the voluntary land sale, for profit but voluntary nonetheless, with forced expropriation of land and colonisation.

Yes, it is undesirable to sell to EU nationals, but you also have a RIGHT to buy land anywhere in the EU. Can you (as Cypriot national) buy land anywhere in Turkey and settle there like settlers are settling in Cyprus? Of course you do NOT!

So get off this humanitarian kick regarding the settlers. The majority of TCs do not want them in Cyprus either. These people have towns and villages where they were born to go back to. They get a nice sum for compensation and they leave. And this is more marciful than the solutions advocated by some TCs, who want to evict them by force.

[shahmaran]

Whats that, Cypriots cannot buy land and settle in Turkey? Where did you get that from Nikitas?

[MR-from-NG]

[quote="Nikitas"]"Typical Greek attitude. full of arrogance and ignorance. Idi Amin would be a saint compared to you lot."

It just so happens MR from NG that this exact "Typical Greek attitude" is shared by many Turkish Cypriot commentators and politicians. You think that they are like Idi Amin too? Do you think the UN charter that forbids colonization was drafted by Idi Amin?

What exactly is arrogant about the attitude NG? Not wanting to have Cyprus colonized by Anatolians? Wanting incentives to be given to Cypriots to return to the island? Cypriots of all communities, as is expressly stated in the post! What exactly irks you, that in my opinion settlers have no right to stay in Cyprus?

These are not homeless refugees, these are foreign colonizers and they have no place in Cyprus. They must be compensated and sent back where they came from. And Cypriots, who have no other place to call home, be given incentives to return.

As for some Cypriots having made a home elsewhere, sometimes a luxurious homes, so what! They were lucky or capable, that does not stop Cyprus from being their ONLY homeland. These Cypriots, regardless of ethnic background, have a RIGHT to Cyprus.

Fuck the settlers![/quote]

Nikitas, I also believe that there are too many settlers here and some have to go back. It is your unreasonable demand that I have a problem with. "Fuck the settlers" is just not good enough.

Don't you think it would be much better to look at each individual case and deal with accordingly. Lets not forget these people are also victims of circumstances.

The settlers issue was addressed in the Annan plan. Instead of putting all the settlers on the next boat out of Cyprus lets look at doing this in a more humane way. You claim to be Europeans, then behave like one.

[Nikitas]

Humane way is via compensation. There can be no provision for settlers while Cyprus has a diaspora, of both Tcs and GCs overseas amounting to half its resident population. Those that married Cypriots get nationality and residence. The rest get paid to leave.

I sound ruthless on this but I have been working my ass off for the 33 years out of Cyprus, as have thousands of other Cypriots who were forced to do so by circumstances, one of these circumstances being the settlers. If the settlers are to get a settlement deal how about us? Do we get the chance to get a free piece of land and even a house? And if not, why not?

Seen from this perspective the whole settler issue assumes the form of an insult to expatriated Cypriots. I for one would start a legal action to get equal treatment with settlers if any solution provides for them, and would encourage other Cypriots to join me. Something tells me that quite a few would.

[Viewpoint]

Humane way is via compensation. There can be no provision for settlers while Cyprus has a diaspora, of both Tcs and GCs overseas amounting to half its resident population. Those that married Cypriots get nationality and residence. The rest get paid to leave.

I sound ruthless on this but I have been working my ass off for the 33 years out of Cyprus, as have thousands of other Cypriots who were forced to do so by circumstances, one of these circumstances being the settlers. If the settlers are to get a settlement deal how about us? Do we get the chance to get a free piece of land and even a house? And if not, why not?

Seen from this perspective the whole settler issue assumes the form of an insult to expatriated Cypriots. I for one would start a legal action to get equal treatment with settlers if any solution provides for them, and would encourage other Cypriots to join me. Something tells me that quite a few would.

Would that be the same for Pontians?

[Nikitas]

Yes it would be the same for the Pontians. Cypriots must take precedence over all others in a solution. If we do not take care of Cypriots then it will not be a Cypriot solution.

[Viewpoint]

Yes it would be the same for the Pontians. Cypriots must take precedence over all others in a solution. If we do not take care of Cypriots then it will not be a Cypriot solution.

In that case agreed, if we apply the same rules to all those that settled in Cyprus be it north or south after 1974 then I do nto see any problems.

[Nikitas]

In case of doubt, I would rather be taxed so that TCs overseas can be paid to move back to Cyprus, TCs and not GCs, than have the settler problem stretch into the future. I believe that Cypriots and only Cypriots can become true stakeholders under a new solution. Even if a returning TC decides to sell his land for a profit to a foreigner I would still hold that the TC has precedence over non Cypriots.

[Viewpoint]

In case of doubt, I would rather be taxed so that TCs overseas can be paid to move back to Cyprus, TCs and not GCs, than have the settler problem stretch into the future. I believe that Cypriots and only Cypriots can become true stakeholders under a new solution. Even if a returning TC decides to sell his land for a profit to a foreigner I would still hold that the TC has precedence over non Cypriots.

I did not wait for incentives and took the plunge never regretting it, I feel I belong in the TRNC and love every minute of it. There is no reason why you cannot move back today life goes on normally both sides of the divide.

[DINOS SKALIOTIS]

I agree with Nikitas.

Those settlers had a choice to leave Anatolia . . . but the Cypriot refugees did not have a choice to leave their homes. They were forced to leave . . . what about their Human rights?

Of course you would, sitting comfortably in your semi in Palmers Greek.

oh come on guys sort it out ffs! theres a world full of tossers to hate out there why do we have to do it to eachother? any way probably more turks than greeks in palmers greek nowadays

Very well said Dinos. I'd like to think Cypriots (GC&TC) are unique in that they are kind, generous, hospitable and respectful towards their fellow man.

Sadly though when it comes to sharing these qualities with our neighbours/compatriots we fail miserably. All because of different religion and different language.

but are we our grandparents ffs? when are we gonna realise that BOTH these religions are full of shit! islam and greek orthodox! what aload of old bollocks, neither have a place in modern day! the sooner we all get this through our thick skulls the better! cos take religion away and the truth is we have little else to fight about

100% in agreement with you Dinos. They say "money is the root of all evil" I disagree, its religion that is the root of all our problems.

exactly! so why are we all getting all anal on here about the cyprus problem? surely ALL cypriots should want the same thing and FUCK religion! turkish troops, english troops turkish settlers and pontians,pakis sri-lankans, all out! cypriots first, then and only then can outsiders buy up whats left! we live together side by side in london so why not in cyprus? anyone who claims to be a cypriot but doesnt want his cypriot cousin cos of religion is an arse, and is no better than the wankers that split cyprus up in the first place.