Since one of the options for solving the Cyprus problem is the return of the TCs to RoC I think the TC side should check out the possibility of a pilot project or lets say an experiment. Check among the people living accross the dividing line and find 3-4 villages where the majority of the people would be willing to return to RoC governing. Relocate the peopple who do not agree and then return those 3-4 villages to RoC.
What do you think will happen?
In case you can think of some other experiments that could expand to another sort of solution please list them.
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by MicAtCyp » Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:19 pm
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by garbitsch » Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:46 pm
I think the best solution is the gradual unification of the island. The EU case is very close to what I am trying to say and since Cyprus is far less complex than this organisation, the unification can be realised more easily. First there should be an economic union and then political. The both sides should not use the official names, i.e RoC or TRNC during the negotiations. I know this might not be fair for the G.Cs, since the RoC has the international recognition and can reject any organisation or institution of North. Yet, I believe, this is the only way that will give birth to a solution which both sides had agreed on.
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by Saint Jimmy » Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:30 pm
Ηmmm... Mic's experiment is unrealistic because in that case, the TRNC would be giving away land in return for nothing.
Turkcyp's experiment is unrealistic because in that case, the RoC would be giving TCs their rights back in return for nothing.
Or is it?
What do the TCs have to do with the Turkish invasion and continuing occupation? Presumably, those TCs who are prepared to return to the RoC, will be effectively be denouncing the everything: the invasion, the occupation, the TRNC. So, in legal terms, there is no way out of it for the RoC, right? We'd have to give them back what's theirs, constitutionally. What's the counter-argument? That numerically the TCs who will return are not going to be enough to elect a VP and a Chamber, plus enjoy all the percentage rights? So, what would happen if the original RoC was still around and half the TCs decided to mass-emigrate (for whatever reason)? Would we be entitled by law to amend the constitution?
Hmmm... I'm guessing that move is up to the TCs (those who would like to return), not the RoC. I think our hands would be tied in such a case, and TCs would have to get their rights back. Would they do it, or would they, too, as some GCs, prefer their own, ethnically pure state?
Turkcyp's experiment is unrealistic because in that case, the RoC would be giving TCs their rights back in return for nothing.
Or is it?
What do the TCs have to do with the Turkish invasion and continuing occupation? Presumably, those TCs who are prepared to return to the RoC, will be effectively be denouncing the everything: the invasion, the occupation, the TRNC. So, in legal terms, there is no way out of it for the RoC, right? We'd have to give them back what's theirs, constitutionally. What's the counter-argument? That numerically the TCs who will return are not going to be enough to elect a VP and a Chamber, plus enjoy all the percentage rights? So, what would happen if the original RoC was still around and half the TCs decided to mass-emigrate (for whatever reason)? Would we be entitled by law to amend the constitution?
Hmmm... I'm guessing that move is up to the TCs (those who would like to return), not the RoC. I think our hands would be tied in such a case, and TCs would have to get their rights back. Would they do it, or would they, too, as some GCs, prefer their own, ethnically pure state?
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by insan » Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:57 pm
10) How about those TCs that did not benefit from GCs sufferings?
how do you know that they didn't grab some more land in addition what they have?
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by Saint Jimmy » Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:01 pm
turkcyp wrote:Saint Jimmy,
Something is called experiment if the results of the experiment can be discarded. I mean if we are giving land back, it is not an experiment because if it fails we can not undo whatever we did.
My proposal was more like an experiment, because RoC can restrict the rights of TCs to vote anytime they want, so the whole experiment can be undone….
I am aware of that, Turkcyp
I took it for granted that giving back land to the RoC would be a little harder to reclaim than 'hey, ok, time's up, get out'. Unless you feel that it would be as easy as that to move to military operations again...? I think if something like this experiment were to take place, our guys would find a way to break the deal and refuse to hand control of the land back, thus creating a new mess.
Now, on the second part. I don't think it's a matter of punishing those TCs or any other TCs. TCs' rights, as well as international recognition (and everything this comes with - UN SC resolutions, international funds, etc.) are our two main negotiating cards. They're what we have to exchange for what we're asking. That's why our guys are reluctant to hand them back, because they're used as leverage. Otherwise, the answer you'd probably get to such a TC request would be 'yeah, you guys rule the North, and you want your share in the South, too?'.
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by Saint Jimmy » Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:03 pm
insan wrote:Mucahit puan, matryred puan, elections bribe etc..
Missed that part, sorry... Translation, anyone?
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