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[T_C]

I think Bananiot is right. I don't know how people can dispute what he's saying...

Given the above, the general view in Brussels is that trade and aid in their current forms will not achieve very much. The great hope is for the start of talks towards a comprehensive solution in 2008. In the words of one candid official: “We will see what happens in the February elections; it will be a good indicator of peoples' will.”

I'm sure they meant "we'll see who they'll vote for president" when they said the above.

I hope the GCs vote for someone else because I think VP is right too. I don't know about recognition but Taiwan style direct trade will soon come if Papa stays for another 5 years. The man has involvment in the cause of the Cyprus problem, who now has a really, really bad reputation and he's a blatant liar. Nothing good will come out of Papa and the GCs would be better off using him as a scapegoat to put all the blame on (and rightly so).

The man is the George Bush of Cyprus and should be sent back to his farm where he belongs!!!!

[Bananiot]

Right, in the recent polls Papadopoulos gets a mere 30% which is less than the total the parties that support him command. You have a distorted view on what the extreme right is Piratis. You claim that Klerides is extreme right but the fact of the matter is that the extreme right are all Papadopoulos supporters, in case you have not noticed. Even Stylianos Pattakos, the Greek dictator, is a great admirer of Papadopoulos.

[Bananiot]

This is exactly what will happen if Papadopoulos wins another term T_C. Tawanisation though will be just the first stage of the inevidable partition.

[Piratis]

So if Papadopoulos wins the worst thing that could happen (but it will not) is "Tawanisation" of the occupied areas, but if Papadopoulous losses the worst thing that can happen is an official partition of the kind of Annan plan, that will create two pseudo states, joined loosely together by some foreign controlled central government.

I know which one I would choose between the two.

And be the way, if the TCs could become "Taiwan", Turkey would have been a "Japan" long time ago. So lets cut the jokes. The occupied areas are and will remain until they will be liberated, a huge military camp of Turkey. Even if some ferries or planes go directly there, this will not change a thing. Even in the case of trade, TCs already do their trade via Turkey, and we all know they already export directly to the UK. So nothing will change.

[Bananiot]

Fair enough, we all die eventually ... what's the big deal?

[cymart]

Some time back,you wrote that whoever wins the election, there will be a solution next year with a contributing factor being the recession in the U.K. economy that will cause property prices here to crash too etc?This seems to be a strong possibility from recent news about the U.K economy.....Do you stand by your prediction or wish to add any other comments as I'm sure we'll all be very interested.

Cheers for now.

M.

[Bananiot]

I take it you are reffering to Piratis, yes?

[boomerang]

He is reffering to oranos...the oracle

[boomerang]

No need to get cynical viewpoint, but you do have a point. Serdar Denktash made it in a very concrete manner when he said that he and Tassos belong to the same constellation.

Regarding the changes Boomerang asked me I would say that they are not the point of this thread but since he asked me I have no problem listing them. These changes in my opinion need to be such that can be accepted by the other side too. Otherwise, if we made such changes that cannot possibly be accepted (like the guarantees of Turkey) we would go back to square one and the stalemate this time will be enough in itself to bring a final solution to the detriment of all Cypriots. So, here e go:

1. The time schedules for forces withdrawals, returning of properties etc should be shortened.

2. The territory issue should be looked at more carefully so that a more just arrangement can be agreed on.

3. There should be a simplification in the legal procedures suggested, for obvious reasons.

Realisticly, these suggested changes can be negotiated with good will by the two sides and a good result can be reached.

I am not sure the changes you propose, and I do realise you are speaking broadly here, will be enough to swing a yes vote...

I see the guarantor rights being a major stumbling block for starters...and to be quite honest do we need them?...Have we lost faith within the EU already?

If the tcs and turks have no faith in such a system why then join the club and go through the dramas of nation alignment, if there is no will and faith that such a system can deliver?

I think the next plan should be an EU plan that encompasses the whole of Cyprus and get over and done with it...The EU is heading down the road of integration and we getting a plan that drives us apart...

I still say a true federation will be the way to go...

[Jerry]

If the tcs and turks have no faith in such a system why then join the club and go through the dramas of nation alignment, if there is no will and faith that such a system can deliver?

I think the next plan should be an EU plan that encompasses the whole of Cyprus and get over and done with it...The EU is heading down the road of integration and we getting a plan that drives us apart...

I still say a true federation will be the way to go...

Since the EU has decided that there will be no permanent derogations in any Cyprus settlement it would be suicide for the ROC to ever permit Turkey to join the EU. Turkey will never join unless the EU moves the goalposts