boomerang wrote:This explains the reason why the tcs shop and work in the RoC...coz they are bored with sitting on the asses with their fridges stocked up to the brim...
Who is exactly spending more?
THE PACK IS CLOSING
by Viewpoint » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:46 pm
Who is exactly spending more?
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by boomerang » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:55 pm
boomer what is your problem with hearing a different viewpoint to yours?
nothing you just seemed to go around in circles...
Refer to my earlier post to Bananiot to see that I do want to hear a difference of opinion...but with you it's just a one way street...
Just sick of your constant same view that makes me take the piss oout of you...and thats the truth...
You want partition and then agreed to Kifeas plan for a solution...Instead of working towards that solution you go against it, even though you agreed with it in principle...
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by Viewpoint » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:03 pm
boomerang wrote:nothing you just seemed to go around in circles...
Refer to my earlier post to Bananiot to see that I do want to hear a difference of opinion...but with you it's just a one way street...
Just sick of your constant same view that makes me take the piss oout of you...and thats the truth...
You want partition and then agreed to Kifeas plan for a solution...Instead of working towards that solution you go against it, even though you agreed with it in principle...
You dont realize it but you are the one who perpetuates that circle by your below the belt scarcastic comments which only deserve the same sort of response as you are not able to show any flexiblity at all, at least I have agreed a political structure with Kifeas who is on the other side of the fence with regards to a solution, cna ouy claim the same?. I still do not believe his proposals would be accepted by GCs that why I support partition as it is the only real viable solution as it is what we deserve as neither side is able to compromise and the chasm is to wide and growing further everyday.
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by Bananiot » Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:13 am
Piratis, do the results of the polls not tell you anything? The two biggest parties seriously question his policies and openly say that we are being led to partition. They will never allow him to win a second term. They will even collaborate, if they have to, in order to stop him from ruining this country.
Boomerang, the job of the next President will be extremely difficult. A new basis for solution is out of question and another initiative would only come if it is centred around what have been agreed over the last 33 or so years. The new President would have to act fast to regain the credibility we once had and convince the international community that we mean business. This can only happen if the new President takes the initiative and give a clear indication of what we want. He should explain in clear terms why we rejected the Plan of the UN and indicate the changes we want to negotiate in order to make it acceptable by the Greek Cypriot community. The new plan will be known by a different name since the old name brings about responses mainly due to conditioning in many people. The contents are important and not the name, of course.
What Papadopoulos did in 2004 is more than reject a plan. He killed the hope of solution by asking and getting a loud "no". He did not like the proposed plan and that is fair enough. He should have explained precisely what he did not like and what changes were needed in order to make the plan likable. He failed to do this on purpose (because he objected to the philosophy of the plan) and drugged his feet hoping that we could have more leverage on Turkey now that we became members of the EU. Once again, like so mamy other times before, his calculations did not work out because a hugely political problem can not possibly be solved by legalistic arguments. In fact, this emphasis we give to resolutions to this day shows how naive we are.
In 2003, the setting was perfect for a solution. All nine planets of our solar system aligned and were calling upon us to solve it! The Turkish Cypriots poured into the streets asking for freedom, democracy and solution. Erdogan recognised the existence of the problem that was playing havoc with Turkey's aspirations in the European Union. We were outside the door of the European Union with one foot in! Yet, we allowed this dream situation to fizzle out and on top, we are now held responsible for the impasse. At the same time we ignore our natural allies within the EU and look to become the Trojan horse of Russia within the EU. We have hit rock bottom my friends.
Papadopoulos has to go! Whether the new President can salvage anything from this mess, it remains to be seen.
Boomerang, the job of the next President will be extremely difficult. A new basis for solution is out of question and another initiative would only come if it is centred around what have been agreed over the last 33 or so years. The new President would have to act fast to regain the credibility we once had and convince the international community that we mean business. This can only happen if the new President takes the initiative and give a clear indication of what we want. He should explain in clear terms why we rejected the Plan of the UN and indicate the changes we want to negotiate in order to make it acceptable by the Greek Cypriot community. The new plan will be known by a different name since the old name brings about responses mainly due to conditioning in many people. The contents are important and not the name, of course.
What Papadopoulos did in 2004 is more than reject a plan. He killed the hope of solution by asking and getting a loud "no". He did not like the proposed plan and that is fair enough. He should have explained precisely what he did not like and what changes were needed in order to make the plan likable. He failed to do this on purpose (because he objected to the philosophy of the plan) and drugged his feet hoping that we could have more leverage on Turkey now that we became members of the EU. Once again, like so mamy other times before, his calculations did not work out because a hugely political problem can not possibly be solved by legalistic arguments. In fact, this emphasis we give to resolutions to this day shows how naive we are.
In 2003, the setting was perfect for a solution. All nine planets of our solar system aligned and were calling upon us to solve it! The Turkish Cypriots poured into the streets asking for freedom, democracy and solution. Erdogan recognised the existence of the problem that was playing havoc with Turkey's aspirations in the European Union. We were outside the door of the European Union with one foot in! Yet, we allowed this dream situation to fizzle out and on top, we are now held responsible for the impasse. At the same time we ignore our natural allies within the EU and look to become the Trojan horse of Russia within the EU. We have hit rock bottom my friends.
Papadopoulos has to go! Whether the new President can salvage anything from this mess, it remains to be seen.
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by Viewpoint » Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:26 am
Bananiot with all due respects, those of us that have given up on the likelihood of unification need papdop in order to further our cause for agreed partition. Another term would seal the deal for us and that's why we are hoping that GCs will resoundingly vote for a man who is a proved Turk hater and author of Akritas. The floating votes are an important factor and hopefully GCs are sheepish enough to vote papadop in another term.
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