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Postby halil » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:48 pm

Get Real! wrote:
halil wrote:The Cyprus Question
By Michael Stephen

Halil has finally "discovered" the paid propagandist Michael Stephen!

Got yourself a new hero Halil? One that says things the way you want to hear them? :lol: He has been paid to please you so I guess he's doing a god job.


GR .
depends how you look my friend . It's means others are paid by your side.
If we all think like what you are thinking we will end up with nothing . who ever suits our thoughts he is good who ever doesn't suits our views we called them paid propagandist .
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Postby halil » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:01 pm

I knew you will get mad with this series started new in Zaman news paper for me what he is writing is true . If it is not true let the historians to judge his writings .
Cyprus: The complete history from 1960 to 1974 (1)
Cyprus gained her sovereign independence by virtue of a constitution and three treaties -- the Treaty of Guarantee, the Treaty of Alliance and the Treaty of Establishment, all of which came into force on the same day -- Aug. 16, 1960. They were interrelated so that, for example, the 48 “basic articles” of the Constitution were incorporated into the Treaty of Guarantee while the two Treaties of Guarantee and Alliance were in turn mentioned to “have constitutional force” in Article 181 of the constitution. The third treaty, the Treaty of Establishment, makes it clear that the boundaries of the Republic of Cyprus do not coincide with those of the island, in that Britain retains absolute sovereignty over two enclaves, totaling 99 square miles which contain the military bases of Ağrotur (Akrotiri) and Dikelya (Dhekelia). Britain is also given certain military rights (such as exclusive control of the Nicosia airport in the event of an emergency) on the territory of the republic. The constitution was drawn up explicitly in terms of the two people -- and was referred to subsequently by the Turkish Cypriots as a functional federation, though that expression does not actually appear. The official languages were Greek and Turkish. The Greek and Turkish flags could be flown without any restrictions, though there was also to be a national flag. The Greek and Turkish national holidays were to be observed. The country was defined as “an independent and sovereign republic with a presidential regime, the president being Greek and the vice president being Turkish elected by the Greek and Turkish communities of Cyprus respectively.” There were 10 ministers, seven chosen by the president and three by the vice president (in practice a Turkish Cypriot was appointed to defense). Decisions in the Council of Ministers were to be taken by absolute majority, except that either the president or the vice president had an absolute veto over decisions relating to foreign affairs, defense or internal security and a delaying one on other matters.
The legislative system was unicameral. The House of Representatives had 50 members: 35 Greek and 15 Turkish. This ratio was unilaterally changed to 56 Greek and 24 Turkish by Greek Cypriots without the consent of Turkish Cypriots during the “Dark Era,” namely between the years 1963-1974. According to Article 78(2), “any law imposing duties or taxes shall require a simple majority of the representatives elected by the Greek and Turkish communities respectively taking part in the vote.” This provision also applied to any change in the electoral law and the adoption of any law relating to the municipalities. This last question baffled the constitution makers. In five of the towns, separate Greek and Turkish municipalities had emerged as a consequence of the communal confrontations of 1958 and had been recognized by the British. They would now be officially established, thereby becoming the only organ of the constitution based on the idea of territorial separation, but for only four years during which the president and the vice president were supposed to decide between them whether they were to continue.

Legislation on other subjects was to take place by simple majority but again the president and the vice president had the same right of veto -- absolute on foreign affairs, defense and internal security, delaying on other matters -- as in the Council of Ministers. Outside the House of Representatives there were to be elected two communal chambers, one Greek, the other Turkish, which were given separate functions not entrusted to the House. These included education, religious matters, personal status, sport, culture, producer and consumer cooperatives and credit establishments. For these purposes they were entitled to impose taxes, set up courts and conduct their own relations with the Greek and Turkish governments over help with funds or with personnel. The judicial system was headed both by the Supreme Constitutional Court and by the High Court of Justice, each consisting of Greek and Turkish Cypriot judges, each with a neutral president (who should not be Cypriot, Greek, Turkish or British). The High Court had mainly appellate jurisdiction but could also deal with “offences against the constitution and the constitutional order.” The Supreme Constitutional Court had exclusive jurisdiction over the allocation of functions and powers between the various institutions. Either president or vice president might appeal to this court whenever he thought that a law including, specifically, the budget, would have the effect of discriminating against one of the communities. Moreover human rights were strongly protected. A long series of guarantees against discrimination and in support of fundamental rights and liberties (Articles 6 to 35) were closely based on the appropriate European conventions. Finally, the constitution recognized the bi-communal nature of Cyprus in its arrangements for administration. The public service should approximate in all grades of its hierarchy to a 70:30 ratio. The Public Service Commission was to consist of 10 members, seven of them Greek, but a number of decisions were made dependent on the approval of at least two of the Turkish members.

There was to be a Cypriot army, 2,000 strong, of which 1,200 should be Greeks and 800 Turks, together with security forces, comprising police and gendarmerie, also totaling 2,000, but this time with 1,400 Greeks to 600 Turks; forces stationed in parts of the republic inhabited almost totally by one community should have policemen drawn entirely from that community.


17.12.2007
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/yazar ... rno=129506
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Postby Piratis » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:14 pm

Cyprus gained her sovereign independence by virtue of a constitution and three treaties -- the Treaty of Guarantee, the Treaty of Alliance and the Treaty of Establishment, all of which came into force on the same day -- Aug. 16, 1960.


Why don't you tell us how we came up with these agreements that the British would maintain huge military bases, and the TC minority of 18% was given disproportional and undemocratic gains on the loss of all other Cypriots so they would act as the organ of Turkey in Cyprus with the ability to block anything that Cyprus wanted to do - which is what eventually created more troubles.

Those "agreements" where created by the British in association with the Turks and then Makarios was brought in and was asked to "take it or leave it". "Leave it" in that case would mean Cyprus to remain a colony. When Makarios asked for a few changes, they didn't even allow him that.

They forced 82% of the people of the country to accept something unfair and undemocratic to serve whom?

The solution of the Cyprus is when all those foreign armies finally piss off from our island, so we can create a normal democratic country like all the rest.
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Postby smithy » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:19 pm

Tim Drayton - Many thanks for your helpful reply. I assume I am correct in thinking that Niyazi Kizilyurec has not yet published a relevant book in English? Anyway, I will keep my eye open for the translation of "Milliyetcilik Kiskacinda Kibris". (You sound as though you can read Turkish!)

Yes, I have read "The Cyprus Conspiracy". It has some good references but concentrates on the international aspects (and on pillorying Kissinger!)

Once again, many thanks for your help.

Halil - Wow! - I'm still studying your comment
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:48 pm

smithy wrote:Tim Drayton - Many thanks for your helpful reply. I assume I am correct in thinking that Niyazi Kizilyurec has not yet published a relevant book in English? Anyway, I will keep my eye open for the translation of "Milliyetcilik Kiskacinda Kibris". (You sound as though you can read Turkish!)

Yes, I have read "The Cyprus Conspiracy". It has some good references but concentrates on the international aspects (and on pillorying Kissinger!)

Once again, many thanks for your help.

Halil - Wow! - I'm still studying your comment


I don't think he has published anything in English yet, but I may stand corrected.
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Postby halil » Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:07 pm

smithy wrote:Tim Drayton - Many thanks for your helpful reply. I assume I am correct in thinking that Niyazi Kizilyurec has not yet published a relevant book in English? Anyway, I will keep my eye open for the translation of "Milliyetcilik Kiskacinda Kibris". (You sound as though you can read Turkish!)

Yes, I have read "The Cyprus Conspiracy". It has some good references but concentrates on the international aspects (and on pillorying Kissinger!)

Once again, many thanks for your help.

Halil - Wow! - I'm still studying your comment


Smity,
at below link you can find usefull information.
http://www.ctpkibris.org/Belgeler/fbelgeler.htm

good work.
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Postby halil » Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:22 pm

halil wrote:
smithy wrote:Tim Drayton - Many thanks for your helpful reply. I assume I am correct in thinking that Niyazi Kizilyurec has not yet published a relevant book in English? Anyway, I will keep my eye open for the translation of "Milliyetcilik Kiskacinda Kibris". (You sound as though you can read Turkish!)

Yes, I have read "The Cyprus Conspiracy". It has some good references but concentrates on the international aspects (and on pillorying Kissinger!)

Once again, many thanks for your help.

Halil - Wow! - I'm still studying your comment


Smity,
at below link you can find usefull information.
http://www.ctpkibris.org/Belgeler/fbelgeler.htm

Another link for you . It is not Turkish site.
http://www.country-data.com/frd/cs/cytoc.html#cy0061

from above link u can find rest of the countries histories as well.

good work.
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