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The Basic Principle of "Political Equality"

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:55 pm

Why isnt my opinion a valid option my friend?, to date we have not been able to resolve anything other than creating a bad impression on each other, so when I talk of partition I do not wish to rude, think of it has an alternative to resolving all the complicated issues between our communities and in many ways would answer many of your concerns.
I have to mention you are a minority in this forum just read some of the comments hurled at TCs by GCs and Im you will say it works both ways but if we cant even discuss something in a civil tone without reverting to belittling remarks how do we expect to live together?
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:15 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Why isnt my opinion a valid option my friend?, to date we have not been able to resolve anything other than creating a bad impression on each other, so when I talk of partition I do not wish to rude, think of it has an alternative to resolving all the complicated issues between our communities and in many ways would answer many of your concerns.
I have to mention you are a minority in this forum just read some of the comments hurled at TCs by GCs and Im you will say it works both ways but if we cant even discuss something in a civil tone without reverting to belittling remarks how do we expect to live together?


You know what will be the result of your partition? We will have to build a 6 meter wall around to keep the settlers and the illegal immigrants away, Mama Türka will dominate you even further and will continue to have the tanks and the guns that you so much like. The settlers very soon will triple and even more, and they will be sleeping this time outside your doors and inside your gardens and you will eventually disappear from Cyprus because you will not be able to tolerate it any more. And if you decide to move to the south, do not expect that the GCs will give you your constructional rights. They will tell you go and get Turkey and the half or 1 million settlers out of the north first and then come to talk.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:22 pm

Kifeas why such a negative attitude?, what happens to us in the north is our concern dont you think what we are trying to do is find a way to solve the Cyprus issue I say partition you say something else but your option is complicated and not desired by many in the north.
Why do u want to unite with us, we have been called all the names under then sun and accused of everything possible, from the characterization GCs have made of TCs on this forum why on earth would you want share anything with people like us.
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Postby magikthrill » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:25 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Kifeas why such a negative attitude?, what happens to us in the north is our concern dont you think what we are trying to do is find a way to solve the Cyprus issue I say partition you say something else but your option is complicated and not desired by many in the north.
Why do u want to unite with us, we have been called all the names under then sun and accused of everything possible, from the characterization GCs have made of TCs on this forum why on earth would you want share anything with people like us.


I'm sorry but when I insult someone I don't insult them because of their ethnic origins. I insult them cause of their stupidity and ignorance. I believe most people on the forum feel the same way.

I don't know of a single GC on this forum who has blatantly stated (At least AFTER the 20th post). TC are [insurt racial slur here] and we dont want to live with you!
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:32 pm

The objective of political equality between communities should be to make all citizens more equal, and not to give to some citizens more power/rights than others.

In the end, the result should be equal Cyprus citizens, and not unequal citizens and citizens separated based on race.

Unification means first and above all unification of the people. Otherwise it is not unification, it is a disguised partition.
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:35 pm

Why do u want to unite with us, we have been called all the names under then sun and accused of everything possible, from the characterization GCs have made of TCs on this forum why on earth would you want share anything with people like us.


Viewpoint, you should address this to those who called you all the names that you say. I am not responsible for whatever others say and I am not supposed to be victimised by this. Your leader for 30 years has also called us with all the names under the sun and terrorised and fanaticised you against us and I never accussed or victimised you for this.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:36 pm

You are right Piratis, so partition would also achieve equlity amongst its citizens for us in Northern Cyprus & you in Southern Cyprus.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:46 pm

You are right Piratis, so partition would also achieve equlity amongst its citizens for us in Northern Cyprus & you in Southern Cyprus.


The problem with partition is that no community owns a specific part of Cyprus. Believe me, if you owned north Cyprus I would have told you to get your part and get lost. However there is no such thing as "your part". The whole Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots. See the problem?
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:03 pm

Yes Piratis I do, but if we are grown up about this, want to end this mess and stop bickering surely we can bring all those small pieces together and create 18% - 82% split and then we can get lost as you said.
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:07 pm

piratis wrote:The problem with partition is that no community owns a specific part of Cyprus. ... The whole Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots. See the problem?


I endorse your point 100% Piratis. Viewpoint doesn't seem to have a sense of any "historical consciousness" and therefore one cannot explain it in this way and expect him to understand what you mean. Therefore I had to explain to him what his partition idea might possibly mean to him in real terms.
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