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[Kifeas]

According to the Constitution of RoC, the ministers of Defence, Health and Environment must come from the Turkish Community. However these ministers are Greek, because the Turkish Cypriots are no more represented in the parliament. Why doesn't this special case applied for opening a Turkish school in Limassol? Greek Cypriots are keen when they suit the constitution to their own interests. The RoC contitution is no more practiced for the Turkish Cypriots, so when it is a matter of opening a Turkish school, don't depend on the constitution.
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"A fox may change his colours, but not his tricks"

My question remains the same. Given the well know circumstances,(i.e. TC community living in the north and declaring an independent state which RoCy doesn't recognize and disputes,) should a Turkish language school in Limassol be let to be opened by the "TRNC" or should the RoCy open it? This is the question I would like you to answer, and not whether a fox can change her colors but not it's tricks. Nice slogan by the way

[turkcyp]

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[-mikkie2-]

Greek communal chamber is abolished before 1974, and every Greek communal activity is started to being managed by the central government before 1974, which essentially tells me that Greeks started using central government as their own before 1974 not after 1974.

That is because the TC's withdrew from government in 1963.

[turkcyp]

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[garbitsch]

My question remains the same. Given the well know circumstances,(i.e. TC community living in the north and declaring an independent state which RoCy doesn't recognize and disputes,) should a Turkish language school in Limassol be let to be opened by the "TRNC" or should the RoCy open it? This is the question I would like you to answer, and not whether a fox can change her colors but not it's tricks. Nice slogan by the way

The school will of course be opened and also regulated by the RoC, but the teachers should be sent by the TRNC, since this is the way the RoC is doing for the Greek schools in Karpas.
As for the slogan, it is a Latin proverb, which is originally `vulpem pilum mutat, non mores`.

[-mikkie2-]

Yes and also we start isolating ourselves in enclaves and force close to 30k TC to become refugees in those times, and also start putting complete sanctions to those enclaves (do you know that those enclaves did not get even medical attention until UN peacekeeping forces were able to convince the GCs that control barricades around those enclaves).

You certainly discouraged TC's from having economic relations with GC's. And of course you decided to put yourself in enclaves as you were discouraging TC's to return to their homes. These things are documented as well, so quit giving us a one sided story.

[turkcyp]

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[sadik]

Hi Sadik,

I would accept most of what you say, but when you compare numbers it is a different story. There are only around 2-3000 Greeks left in Istanbul compared with a Turkish-Muslim community of around 200000 in Greece. After the exchange of poplulations there were similar number of Greeks in Turkey as there was Turks in Greece. Today the Turkish community is higher in numbers whereas the Greek community is struggling to survive. I don't put the flight of the Greeks from Turkey down to Greek encouragement. I put it down to mostly the Turks making the life of these people such that they had cause to leave.

Hi mikkie2,

There is no denying that life for these people were made very difficult. Unfortunately, this was also Cyprus related. In 1956, after a huge Cyprus rally in Istanbul, some Greek owned businesses and housed were burned down by angry mob under heavy provokation. They believed Turks in Cyprus were being sloughtered. After this, most of the remaining Greek community in Istanbul left, out of fear for their lives.

It's not surprising that remaining Greeks in Istanbul get shivers up and down their spines when they hear the word Cyprus.

Unlike Turks in Greece, Greeks in Istanbul lived in a densly populated and easyly accessible area. Unlike their counterparts in Western Thrace, they were well off and well educated, so they were more visible in the society. In the presence of a state unwilling to protect its citizens, they were made easy targets for nationalists.

Regards,
Sadik

[insan]

You certainly discouraged TC's from having economic relations with GC's. And of course you decided to put yourself in enclaves as you were discouraging TC's to return to their homes. These things are documented as well, so quit giving us a one sided story.

How many TCs were discouraged by TMT having economic relations with GCs?

Tell me, mikkie.

How many TCs prefered to stay in enclaves because of security concerns, the trauma and shock they faced while their homes ruined by National guard under command of Grivas and irregular terror teams under command of Sampson? There were totally 25.000 TCs in enclaves and most of them returned to their homes in 1967-74 period.

Now you tell me how many TCs were oppressed and terrorized by GC leadership, National Guard under command of Grivas and irregular GC terror gangs under command of Sampson to flee enclaves in 1963-74 period?

[-mikkie2-]

Look Insan, I don't want to wish to keep digging up the past but you have to admit that the TC leaders and Turkey were actively discouraging TC's from having economic links with GC's. It is also known that TMT were stopping TC's from returning to their villages as well. You paint the picture that EVERYTHING was to do with us, but you never actually question the role of the TMT or certain sections of your own society in many of these incidents. Basically both sides have enough 'ammo' to throw at eachother reagrding these things, so don't expect statements such like what turlcyp said to go completely unanswered.