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Erdogan accuses Sarkozy of hypocrisy on EU bid
Published: 12/12/2007


ANKARA - Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan Wednesday accused French President Nicolas Sarkozy of having double standards on Turkey's troubled bid to join the EU, Anatolia news agency reported.
"Mr. Sarkozy says one thing in our bilateral meetings and says something else behind our back. This is not a becoming attitude in politics," Erdogan was quoted as saying in an address to a gathering of businessmen here.

Erdogan's comments came two days after EU foreign ministers issued a statement in Brussels which Ankara said failed to openly confirm its full membership objective.

The statement omitted the usual phrase of "accession conferences" when referring to membership talks with Turkey, using instead "intergovernmental conferences."

The wording of the text was the result of objections by France.

Sarkozy is a staunch opponent of Turkey's EU accession and advocates a special partnership with Turkey instead of full membership. Ankara categorically rejects the idea.

"We are a country that is currently negotiating with the EU," Erdogan said.

"One cannot change the rules during a game of football. They (France and its supporters) are trying to do just that. The debate over whether Turkey should have a privileged partnership is just ludicrous," he added.

Turkey began accession negotiations with the European Union in October 2005 amid a heated debate over whether the mainly Muslim country had a place in Europe.

So far it has successfully closed just one chapter and eight remain frozen due to Ankara's refusal to grant trade privileges to Cyprus under a customs union pact with the EU.

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=206606

"One cannot change the rules during a game of football.

Someone should remind pasha erdie, before he talks he should firstly start honouring his signature in order to play in the game...

Membership of EU:

Term number 1: A country must comply in full with EU rules/
Lets have Turkey suceed this first rule and then we can discuss which part of Turkey is allowed a "full" membership

By the way the same is valid for a Cyprus problem solution

[Talisker]

As for the idea that the Scots & Irish getting on with each other,that is a load of crap! I've met quite a few Scots who were very anti-Irish to the hilt.

BC Numismatics, as a Scot I have to clear up the notion that you are putting on the forum that Scots and Irish don't get on, and while I'm at it I would dispute your assertion that the Irish are the most racist people in Europe. My experience of living in Scotland is that the Irish are seen as our closest cousins - they are fellow Celts after all. The Welsh are considered nearly, but not quite, as close, and the general view of these three Celtic nations is that if there is an 'enemy' then it is the English, and that is due to historical reasons. Of course there are Scots who 'hate' the Irish - most of these are Glasgow Rangers supporters, and regular visitors to Northern Ireland for the Orange parade marches - a ridiculous tradition that incites religious bigotry and hatred. By the way, I was brought up as a protestant myself, so I am not blindly protecting Roman Catholicism, many aspects of which I don't agree with too. In my opinion the religious divide in Glasgow between catholics and protestants is one of the most shameful aspects of Scottish life, and should be consigned to the historical dustbin. Indeed, as we are writing within the Cyprus forum, I think it is great that there is now peace in Northern Ireland, the old enemies are sitting round the governmental table running the country together, and that out of the political deals there is a vibrant economy starting to blossom with all the enhanced populations for both communities this brings. Cypriots - take note!

As for Ireland being 'the most racist country in Europe' - on what do you base this statement? Come on, give me some figures on this to back it up. I've visited Dublin many times for work - it is a cosmopolitan, friendly city, and I've never felt any hint of racism there.

In fact, even for this forum, where the most ridiculous statements are made and questions asked, you really came up with one of the all time classics.

Kafenes,do you agree with me that Turkey is almost as racist as the Republic of Ireland is?

I had to laugh when I read this - how completely perverse! Seems to me you picked out two random countries, the only common ground being that you personally hate them both.

So - to any readers of this forum who think BC Numismatics' views are representative of the majority of Scots, please note that THEY DEFINITELY ARE NOT!

[BC Numismatics]

Talisker,I am basing my views from personal experience.My family are fiercely pro-English anyway.I have a friend who comes from County Armagh,&,yes,she is a Protestant,&,yes,she admires Ian Paisley like I do.

Have you read www.victims.org.uk & www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk ? Read it,& you will find out how racist Taigs really are!

Romanism has caused nothing but trouble.Even as late as 1996,the Irish branch of the Pope of Rome's cult were using young women as forced labour in laundries run by the Cult of Rome.If that isn't slavery,then what is it then?

As for the Turks,look at their human rights record,especially in relation to its treatment of ethnic minorities.It is as bad as the Republic of Ireland's human rights record.In 1910,the Prod population of what is now the Republic of Ireland was 10%.Today,this is down to 2 or 3%.If this isn't anti-Protestant genocide,then what is it then?

Please answer my questions.

Aidan.

[Talisker]

Talisker,I am basing my views from personal experience.My family are fiercely pro-English anyway.I have a friend who comes from County Armagh,&,yes,she is a Protestant,&,yes,she admires Ian Paisley like I do.

Have you read www.victims.org.uk & www.iraatrocities.fsnet.co.uk ? Read it,& you will find out how racist Taigs really are!

Romanism has caused nothing but trouble.Even as late as 1996,the Irish branch of the Pope of Rome's cult were using young women as forced labour in laundries run by the Cult of Rome.If that isn't slavery,then what is it then?

As for the Turks,look at their human rights record,especially in relation to its treatment of ethnic minorities.It is as bad as the Republic of Ireland's human rights record.In 1910,the Prod population of what is now the Republic of Ireland was 10%.Today,this is down to 2 or 3%.If this isn't anti-Protestant genocide,then what is it then?

Please answer my questions.

Aidan.

Sorry, but I'm more interested in Cypriot politics than what is going on in Ireland, but here are my responses to your points. Don't want to view the linked sites - why? - because I'm sure if I googled for loyalist atrocities I'd find something similar from the other side. Never heard of laundry women and the Cult of Rome, but my personal experience of Irish women is that they are strong-willed and independent, and if you look for exploited people you can find them in any cult going! Yes, from 1861-1991 there has been a reduction in protestant nos. in the Republic of Ireland (if you can believe this site - I suspect it is highly political).
http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ire ... _1991.html
Not sure what has happened since 1991, but the point is that Ireland is probably heading for reunification (soon the Catholics will be the majority in Northern Ireland), and that is the main reason the settlement came about - the protestants realised their time was nearly up. Within the EU people can move around within Ireland anyway, so I'd imagine the demographics will change anyway. If the Irish kicked out a few protestants between 1861 and 1991 then I'm not surprised - we haven't got a wonderful history towards them during that period.

[BC Numismatics]

Talisker,there's no way that Ulster ('Northern Ireland') will ever unite with the Romish rebel pirate state.If that ever occurred,there would be a neverending civil war,which almost broke out before World War I.

The notion of a 'united Ireland' is a braindead pipedream that was dreamt up by the subhumans from Sinn Fein/I.R.A..There has never been a period in which Ireland was a united country,not even when it was part of the U.K..The 'united Ireland' pipedream is as fascist as the 'enosis' pipedream that was dreamt up by the terrorists from EOKA.

Here's a link to the Romish cult's propaganda website that spews out Pope Bentdick's messages of hate; www.vatican.va .

Aidan.

[Talisker]

Talisker,there's no way that Ulster ('Northern Ireland') will ever unite with the Romish rebel pirate state.If that ever occurred,there would be a neverending civil war,which almost broke out before World War I.

The notion of a 'united Ireland' is a braindead pipedream that was dreamt up by the subhumans from Sinn Fein/I.R.A..There has never been a period in which Ireland was a united country,not even when it was part of the U.K..The 'united Ireland' pipedream is as fascist as the 'enosis' pipedream that was dreamt up by the terrorists from EOKA.

Here's a link to the Romish cult's propaganda website that spews out Pope Bentdick's messages of hate; www.vatican.va .

Aidan.

Disagree, will reunite at some point, can't predict timescale. I'm hoping that minor skirmishes such as the situation in NI last few decades won't happen in Europe so frequently in the future - the EU is strong, people want peace, prosperity and opportunity, not death and destruction. Doesn't mean you can't 'fight' for what you believe in, but debate the issues, don't kill and maim.

I don't want to be a Roman Catholic, don't agree with many of their views, but I do respect the rights of individuals to be Roman Catholic. If that makes them happy, then fine, let them do it. Your childish name calling does you no credit.

[Talisker]

BCN - just read your 'Why Irish Roman Catholics should NEVER be trusted' thread. Why are you writing this stuff on the Cyprus forum? Are you seriously trying to draw parallels between the situaltion in Ireland and that in Cyprus? You are seriously deluded. I've had a lifetime of the Irish troubles and am glad peace exists there now, I don't have to hear about the ridiculous, barbaric acts perpetuated by both sides anymore. Therefore, I'm quitting on this line of conversation. Over and out!

[BC Numismatics]

Talisker,successive British governments have become too 'PC',& caved in & forcing Ian Paisley to share power with Sinn Fein/I.R.A. - the isle of Ireland's equivilant of the Nazis.Gerry Adams is another Adolf Hitler,& Martin McGuinness is another Josef Goebbels.The British Government made a terrible mistake by abolishing the death penalty,especially for murder & terrorism.Both Adams & McGuinness have got their hands soaked in the blood of innocent people.Ian Paisley hasn't killed anyone.

Both Adams & McGuinness are going to end up in the same place where Pope John Paul II of Rome has ended up - the Lake of Fire in Hell!

Nothing will ever change my opinion on Taigs.

Cyprus,on the other hand,will reunite at some point in the future,but it will come once the Turks realise that they're not wanted in Cyprus.

Aidan.

[Kikapu]

The Cypriotism crap does not cut water with TCs as this is just a ploy yo entice TCs into a a sea of GCs where you can manipulate and dominate those stupid TCs who wish to take that decision.

It must be very painful for you to know, that 70,000+ TC's (Cypriots) who hold Cypriot Passports from the RoC, as well as thousands who come across to earn their living every single day in the RoC.

Please spare me all the lame reasons and excuses as to why to the above.

How can you live amongst so many"stupid TC's" in the "TRNC".

Perhaps "stupid is, what stupid does".

[Viewpoint]

The Cypriotism crap does not cut water with TCs as this is just a ploy yo entice TCs into a a sea of GCs where you can manipulate and dominate those stupid TCs who wish to take that decision.

It must be very painful for you to know, that 70,000+ TC's (Cypriots) who hold Cypriot Passports from the RoC, as well as thousands who come across to earn their living every single day in the RoC.

Please spare me all the lame reasons and excuses as to why to the above.

How can you live amongst so many"stupid TC's" in the "TRNC".

Perhaps "stupid is, what stupid does".

Offer a prize with no reprecussions and people will take it. Where do those TCs go after a hard days work or when they get their EU passsport? How else will the GC state the " RoC" claim they represent all Cypriots?

You continue to display your GC views which make you so tranparent to a degree of stupidity.