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Re: Hope this helps.

Postby pantheman » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:27 pm

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Sega wrote:I consider wireless internet access terrible. The cheapest and most efficient option is to get an electrician to create wired points throughout your house (I have 3 wired point, one in my bedroom and 2 in the living room). The reasoning behind me being so against wireless Internet is because the download speed is reduced, the security risks are increased and wired Internet even with the electrician bills still works out cheaper. The downside is that he will drill holes in your house. If you are renting the house I would mension it to the landlord before you proceed.


At the moment, I have 3 double network points, 2 in the living room and one in the spare bedroom. Planning of doing another 4. No cables are showing. Have used the telephone piping to run my cat5 cable which goes in nicely. Amazing what vaseline can do with tight holes :shock:

On that note, never tried or seen this before, so don't know if it will cause much packet loss or not, but one place I need a network point, the only piping available is the electricity. If I pass Cat5e through the same piping, will it cause any packetloss/interference does anyone know?


Industry standard and guidelines is not to mix power cables with data cables.

even worse in the same trunking or in this case pipe.

Alot depends however, on the power cable current useage. If it supplying a large load then the problems would be a lot worse.

The only way to be sure is don't do it. Worst case, if you do pass the cable and don't suffer and problems fine, but it is always going to be risky and may not always know what data you have lost.

A question? Is it a socket cable? If this socket doesn't get used whilst you are on the net, you maybe ok and get away with it. Do you need this power cable, maybe surplus in which case you may wish to disconnect it.

Just some thoughts, best of luck though.

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Postby EasyE » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:34 pm

Thanks guys
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Re: Hope this helps.

Postby Hazza » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:08 pm

Prefer not to use the homeplugs Grump. Will be running a dreambox, laptop and desktop computer, so the homeplugs aren't economical enough.

pantheman wrote:At the moment, I have 3 double network points, 2 in the living room and one in the spare bedroom. Planning of doing another 4. No cables are showing. Have used the telephone piping to run my cat5 cable which goes in nicely. Amazing what vaseline can do with tight holes :shock:

On that note, never tried or seen this before, so don't know if it will cause much packet loss or not, but one place I need a network point, the only piping available is the electricity. If I pass Cat5e through the same piping, will it cause any packetloss/interference does anyone know?


Industry standard and guidelines is not to mix power cables with data cables.

even worse in the same trunking or in this case pipe.

Alot depends however, on the power cable current useage. If it supplying a large load then the problems would be a lot worse.

The only way to be sure is don't do it. Worst case, if you do pass the cable and don't suffer and problems fine, but it is always going to be risky and may not always know what data you have lost.

A question? Is it a socket cable? If this socket doesn't get used whilst you are on the net, you maybe ok and get away with it. Do you need this power cable, maybe surplus in which case you may wish to disconnect it.

Just some thoughts, best of luck though.

Pan[/quote]

Hi Pan,

I was afraid somebody would reply advising not to do that. Was hoping for a "it won't make too much of a difference" type answer. It is a socket cable which is the only one near the computer, so its always on and in use.

I guess I have to think about trunking which is something I wanted to avoid....or just rearrange the furniture to get the best of both worlds.

Thanks for the reply mate.
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Postby Sotos » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:51 pm

EasyE, don't go with Netrunner! Even if where you are you can get only i-choice you can have i-choice with another ISP like Otenet, Netway or Wavespeed which are a lot better than Netrunner!
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Postby EasyE » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:49 am

Sotos wrote:EasyE, don't go with Netrunner! Even if where you are you can get only i-choice you can have i-choice with another ISP like Otenet, Netway or Wavespeed which are a lot better than Netrunner!


Apologies ,but im confused. Why do i need iChoice and then an ISP>What is iChoice?
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Re: Hope this helps.

Postby cyprusgrump » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:32 am

Hazza wrote:Prefer not to use the homeplugs Grump. Will be running a dreambox, laptop and desktop computer, so the homeplugs aren't economical enough.

Two HomePlugs and a cheap 4-port switch... ;-)
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Postby Sega » Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:34 pm

EasyE wrote:
Sotos wrote:EasyE, don't go with Netrunner! Even if where you are you can get only i-choice you can have i-choice with another ISP like Otenet, Netway or Wavespeed which are a lot better than Netrunner!


Apologies ,but im confused. Why do i need iChoice and then an ISP>What is iChoice?


What is i-choice ?
i-choice is a new service by CYTA that, using DSL as the underlying technology, enables the subscriber to connect to the broadband network of CYTA. At that point, the subscriber may choose an Internet Service Provider of his choice and subsequently enter the Internet. i-choice is installed over and above an existing telephone line and offers connection speeds up to 20 times faster than the ISDN 64kbps.
Sourced from: http://www.i-choice.cyta.com.cy/english ... oice.php#1
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Re: Hope this helps.

Postby Sega » Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:39 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Sega wrote:I consider wireless internet access terrible. The cheapest and most efficient option is to get an electrician to create wired points throughout your house (I have 3 wired point, one in my bedroom and 2 in the living room). The reasoning behind me being so against wireless Internet is because the download speed is reduced, the security risks are increased and wired Internet even with the electrician bills still works out cheaper. The downside is that he will drill holes in your house. If you are renting the house I would mension it to the landlord before you proceed.

With wired Internet, whether I format my computer or bring a new computer to my home as long as I have the cable I can connect as many as 4 computers up without any fuss. I do not need to install wireless software, all I need is the Ethernet drivers which normally come with windows so I am all set from the first date.

I am also against the ISP you have decided to enquire about. I use OTENET, I get a 1.5Mbps connection at £23/month (inc. VAT), with a £25 start up cost (which pays for the modem). OTENET is probably not the not the best but they not worth me switching at the moment. As I can see the equivalent NetRunner service is far more expensive. I am not completely against CYTA, I am aware that they have recently launched a Satellite Internet service which I am in favour of for people who live in rural areas.

My advice to you is look at other service providers, and consider getting an electrician in to create wired Internet points throughout your house.

Sorry for steering you in another direction, but hopefully you understand why.

Or use HomePlug networking - doesn't need any wires or holes as it uses the mains cables already in the house...


You can also go with the choice suggested cyprusgrump, however it cannot work across more than one electrical supply. In the UK I lived in two houses put together (2 electrical supplies), subsiquently this choice was no longer possible. But yes, I do believe this would help keep your walls hole free.
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Re: Hope this helps.

Postby cyprusgrump » Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:42 pm

Sega wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Sega wrote:I consider wireless internet access terrible. The cheapest and most efficient option is to get an electrician to create wired points throughout your house (I have 3 wired point, one in my bedroom and 2 in the living room). The reasoning behind me being so against wireless Internet is because the download speed is reduced, the security risks are increased and wired Internet even with the electrician bills still works out cheaper. The downside is that he will drill holes in your house. If you are renting the house I would mension it to the landlord before you proceed.

With wired Internet, whether I format my computer or bring a new computer to my home as long as I have the cable I can connect as many as 4 computers up without any fuss. I do not need to install wireless software, all I need is the Ethernet drivers which normally come with windows so I am all set from the first date.

I am also against the ISP you have decided to enquire about. I use OTENET, I get a 1.5Mbps connection at £23/month (inc. VAT), with a £25 start up cost (which pays for the modem). OTENET is probably not the not the best but they not worth me switching at the moment. As I can see the equivalent NetRunner service is far more expensive. I am not completely against CYTA, I am aware that they have recently launched a Satellite Internet service which I am in favour of for people who live in rural areas.

My advice to you is look at other service providers, and consider getting an electrician in to create wired Internet points throughout your house.

Sorry for steering you in another direction, but hopefully you understand why.

Or use HomePlug networking - doesn't need any wires or holes as it uses the mains cables already in the house...


You can also go with the choice suggested cyprusgrump, however it cannot work across more than one electrical supply. In the UK I lived in two houses put together (2 electrical supplies), subsiquently this choice was no longer possible. But yes, I do believe this would help keep your walls hole free.

They don’t like installations with multiple consumer units (i.e. one upstairs and one downstairs) either although the 85mbps and 200mbps versions can get around that.
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Postby Sega » Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:57 pm

To get an idea of internet speed refer to this thread http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14831.

They don’t like installations with multiple consumer units (i.e. one upstairs and one downstairs) either although the 85mbps and 200mbps versions can get around that.


I had something like 4 computers dotted around the house. Each one of those plugs was around £10-£20 obviously exluding the modem+router which we already had. Apart from having 2 electrical supplies which made this choice impossible, it worked out cheaper to drill holes outside and take the wires from one end of the house to the other. The great thing about it was that the speed remained the same.

I can't stand wireless internet, some people argue with me and say it is just as good saying if you put your wireless on certain radio waves. Just the reciever would probably cost you are £20+ each.

What do you mean 85mbs, 200mbs, we had one called 54g which I think only went 54mbs (and I could be mistaken). Which router+modem is capable of such networking speeds on a wireless frequency.
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