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Utu,I also believe that a federal system similar to Canada's would be best for Cyprus,but I don't believe that the Akrotiri & Dhekelia Sovereign Base Areas should be handed over,as handing them over will be in breach of the Independence Agreement.The S.B.A.s are a very large employer of native Cypriots,& are very good contributors to the Cypriot economy.

Aidan.

[utu]

Boomerang,

It's because I mentioned stereotypes that you and others are taking issue with. The Greek stereotype is of a hard-lined, very opinionated individual with no tolerence for dissenting views. Stereotyping is unfair as it tars all of that nationality with the same brush, but - and I'm only saying this as an observation - a lot of the posts here are reflecting this stereotype very vividly. And for saying this, I'm being attacked.

In regard to my interest in Cyprus, I should point out that the Cypriot government goes to great pains to talk to the world, giving their stance, and asking people not to acknowlege the north. And as they have asked for international opinion, I do beleive that gives people like me the right to chat about it.

[utu]

Utu,I also believe that a federal system similar to Canada's would be best for Cyprus,but I don't believe that the Akrotiri & Dhekelia Sovereign Base Areas should be handed over,as handing them over will be in breach of the Independence Agreement.The S.B.A.s are a very large employer of native Cypriots,& are very good contributors to the Cypriot economy.

Aidan.

So was Clark Field and Subic Bay to the Phillipines...

[BC Numismatics]

Utu,Clark Field & Subic Bay weren't self-governing entities,whereas,the Akrotiri & Dhekelia S.B.A.s are.Legally,the S.B.A.s are military-governed British colonies.

Aidan.

[boomerang]

Boomerang,

It's because I mentioned stereotypes that you and others are taking issue with. The Greek stereotype is of a hard-lined, very opinionated individual with no tolerence for dissenting views. Stereotyping is unfair as it tars all of that nationality with the same brush, but - and I'm only saying this as an observation - a lot of the posts here are reflecting this stereotype very vividly. And for saying this, I'm being attacked.

In regard to my interest in Cyprus, I should point out that the Cypriot government goes to great pains to talk to the world, giving their stance, and asking people not to acknowlege the north. And as they have asked for international opinion, I do beleive that gives people like me the right to chat about it.

No utu it has nothing to do with stereotypying, but rather exposing misinformation...And really I don't know how many times I need to repeat this to you...Here is the post that says it all...

This is what I said to him in a previous post to his accusations...But I see this might have escaped your little tiny brain...

This is how much of a moron and how much of a bullshit eater you are...Before throwing accusations coming from a biased site, why not ask in this forum from people in this forum, gcs and tcs, that met him a few times, what his name is rather than making a jackass of yourself...

You are saying let misinfomation flow down like a stream?...you would like that wouldn't you?...Instead of playing with you dingaling why not try and prove I am a liar? then you might have something to say... ...and this is a challenge to you utu...prove me me a liar...prove that the gumboot wearing kiwi ain't lying?...you think you are up to the challenge?...Judging by your no so mature post, I guess not...you are more than pathetic...you are a moron of the highest calibre...If you can't prove otherwise, STFU...deal?

but it looks to me that shit sticks to flies...hey utu?

One thing that puzzles me Utu is how exposing a liar is considered in your books as right wing?...you mind running this by me again?

PS...next time i require your opinion about posting I will give it to you

Now, go away do you homework and address my post why I have no right to confront misinformation and how by confronting misinformation is regarded by you as right winger mentality...

I hope that this the last time I need to explain my self to you...There won't be a another time...

[utu]

You are saying let misinfomation flow down like a stream?...you would like that wouldn't you?...Instead of playing with you dingaling why not try and prove I am a liar? then you might have something to say... ...and this is a challenge to you utu...prove me me a liar...prove that the gumboot wearing kiwi ain't lying?...you think you are up to the challenge?...Judging by your no so mature post, I guess not...you are more than pathetic...you are a moron of the highest calibre...If you can't prove otherwise, STFU...deal?

Okay, like expatkiwi seems to be quoting from Turkish sourses, you quote from RoCy sourses. Fine, but since these sources have been challenged by either side, plus that the tools of propaganda are used by either side (as well as a lot of other nations) to help push the case, it makes these claims suspect. The phrase 'truth is subjective, fact is fact' comes to mind. A little truth can be a dangerous thing and because of that, I cannot say that either you or expatkiwi are espousing fact, merely a viewpoint based upon 'truth'.

but it looks to me that shit sticks to flies...hey utu?

When I called you pathetic, it was because you challenged expatkiwi in a rather abusive manner. He may well be very wrong, but it does not excuse your conduct.

One thing that puzzles me Utu is how exposing a liar is considered in your books as right wing?...you mind running this by me again?

How do both of us know that he is lying? If both of you are influenced by whatever 'truth' each side puts out, then the worst that you can say is that he only sees one viewpoint. It doesn't make him a liar. It may make him misinformed. Big difference. In regards to right-wing, that is the unitary state viewpoint. You reject the UN's federal solution and espouse the unitary option. That makes you a right-winger on this issue. Like those in Israel who support annexation of the West Bank...

[boomerang]

You are saying let misinfomation flow down like a stream?...you would like that wouldn't you?...Instead of playing with you dingaling why not try and prove I am a liar? then you might have something to say... ...and this is a challenge to you utu...prove me me a liar...prove that the gumboot wearing kiwi ain't lying?...you think you are up to the challenge?...Judging by your no so mature post, I guess not...you are more than pathetic...you are a moron of the highest calibre...If you can't prove otherwise, STFU...deal?

Okay, like expatkiwi seems to be quoting from Turkish sourses, you quote from RoCy sourses. Fine, but since these sources have been challenged by either side, plus that the tools of propaganda are used by either side (as well as a lot of other nations) to help push the case, it makes these claims suspect. The phrase 'truth is subjective, fact is fact' comes to mind. A little truth can be a dangerous thing and because of that, I cannot say that either you or expatkiwi are espousingh fact, merely a viewpoint based upon 'truth'.

but it looks to me that shit sticks to flies...hey utu?

When I called you pathetic, it was because you challenged expatkiwi in a rather abusive manner. He may well be very wrong, but it does not excuse your conduct.

One thing that puzzles me Utu is how exposing a liar is considered in your books as right wing?...you mind running this by me again?

How do both of us know that he is lying? If both of you are influenced by whatever 'truth' each side puts out, then the worst that you can say is that he only sees one viewpoint. It doesn't make him a liar. It may make him misinformed. Big difference. In regards to right-wing, that is the unitary state viewpoint. You reject the UN's federal solution and espouse the unitary option. That makes you a right-winger on this issue.

Utu you might be unware of the following facts...about expat
1...That after inserting misinformation in WIKI and been exposed he went back and he re-edit his post...so he was spreading lies...otherwise he wouldn't correct the wiki article but he would have tried to justify it...

2...He triedo expose GR with a false name...again he was wrong and made a jackass of himself, because tcs have met GR a number of times...

Both instances were wrong as the individual never checked out his sources...And this is why we are here to expose the bullshiters...Now Expat is a lier coz he never acknowledged the alleged name of GR was a fabrication...

You reject the UN's federal solution and espouse the unitary option. That makes you a right-winger on this issue.

No utu the UN offered a confederation...there is one hell of a difference...I endorse a federation solution that encompasses all EU aquis...This is what the plan should be made out of, since the RoC is already in the EU and with a solution the tcs will be part of it...

Why join a club and have no respect of what the club is all about?


again I think you are reading my posts with your eyes shut...I am advocate firstly for peace on the island and secondly a federal system, coz I know it works...

[utu]

Utu you might be unware of the following facts...about expat
1...That after inserting misinformation in WIKI and been exposed he went back and he re-edit his post...so he was spreading lies...otherwise he wouldn't correct the wiki article but he would have tried to justify it...

I read the wiki article. He certainly erred by taking a single figure as gospel and admitted it, but the question still remains: what is the factual figure? Also, GR's blackmail attempt over this - if anything - hardened his attitude.

2...He triedo expose GR with a false name...again he was wrong and made a jackass of himself, because tcs have met GR a number of times...

Both instances were wrong as the individual never checked out his sources...And this is why we are here to expose the bullshiters...Now Expat is a lier coz he never acknowledged the alleged name of GR was a fabrication...

Bullshitters are deliberate liars. Besides, how do we know that expatkiwi knows the actual name if he knows the one he wrote is wrong?

No utu the UN offered a confederation...there is one hell of a difference...I endorse a federation solution that encompasses all EU aquis...This is what the plan should be made out of, since the RoC is already in the EU and with a solution the tcs will be part of it...

Why join a club and have no respect of what the club is all about?

I have not seen the term 'confederal' as that would confer ligitimacy upon the 'TRNC administration', which the UN would never permit.

again I think you are reading my posts with your eyes shut...I am advocate firstly for peace on the island and secondly a federal system, coz I know it works...

We agree on federation. But the question remains: how do you define peace? Peace based on the term of 'political equlity', 'osmosis', or 'protected minority'?

[boomerang]

I read the wiki article. He certainly erred by taking a single figure as gospel and admitted it, but the question still remains: what is the factual figure? Also, GR's blackmail attempt over this - if anything - hardened his attitude

Utu are you playing dumb here or what...He was totally wrong because he didn’t check his sources...And the fact that he went and changed it is because he realised that he was proven...

Bullshitters are deliberate liars. Besides, how do we know that expatkiwi knows the actual name if he knows the one he wrote is wrong?

Utu he could have checked in this forum before he started with the usual rhetoric...He chose the bullshitting lying option...Even when told to check he failed coz he didn’t admit otherwise...

I have not seen the term 'confederal' as that would confer ligitimacy upon the 'TRNC administration', which the UN would never permit.

Ok we are gonna stop here because obviously you have no clue as to what the Annan plan was...I will give you a hint though...Check the preamble of the north propose constitution...

We agree on federation. But the question remains: how do you define peace? Peace based on the term of 'political equlity', 'osmosis', or 'protected minority'?

Federation explains the lot utu...there is no need to explain it...Look at your own country as what federation means...

[utu]

Fine. Look, let's not debate expatkiwi anymore. Liar, misinformed individual, or oracle, he has his viewpoint, and I don't see it changing anytime soon...

As a matter of interest, do you know GR's actual name? (Don't tell me what it is. He deserves a degree of anominity, just like you and I).