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[Piratis]

observer there is no doubt that millions where spend by the AngloAmericans in the pro-Annan campaign. I still keep a booklet of 52 pages on high quality paper called (in translation from Greek): "The Annan plan for Cyprus: Citizen Guide" which was funded by UNOPS.

This booklet was send to me twice without me ever asking for it. If you don't believe me I will take a picture of it and post it for you along with the note that says that it was funded by UNOPS.

This booklet was just one of the many pro-Annan, non Cyprus produced, documents I received before the referendum. I just kept this one because it is of book quality and I felt pity of throwing it away.

[observer]

Oh Good.

Another item of the world against poor little Greek Cyprus wedges itself into the long list of complaints, without one single piece of evidence, just because that lighthouse of truth, Papadopoulos, said it.

Amazing

[Piratis]

observer, did you read what I said? I have one of those booklets with me right now.

I also have a close relative who participates in some bi-communal chorus and some other bi-communal events. The pro-Annan plan brainwashing that the sponsors of those events do to those people is unbelievable. They have even taken some of them to the USA, all expenses paid, for some "meeting" some time ago.

There is no reason to hide the fact that the AngloAmericans wanted their plan to pass and they have paid millions of dollars in this direction.

[observer]

The original accusation/implication by Papadopoulos was that people were paid to vote 'YES'.

I have no trouble in accepting that the US, the UN, the EU and even Greece and Turkey wanted you to vote 'YES'. But there is a difference between paying people to vote one way or the other and providing them with literature or posters. If you don't believe me, go for a walk now, and even more so in the New Year when walls will be covered with posters asking you to vote for this presidential candidate or the other.

How much was spent by groups suggesting a 'NO' Vote?

[observer]

I'm going to have to leave you with the last word if you reply, as I am going out tonight and must get home.

[Piratis]

Papadopoulos never said that people where directly paid to vote yes. What he said is the obvious: That some specific foreigners that had interests in the Annan plan being accepted had spend millions of dollars in the pro-Annan plan campaign.

Yes, money were spend in the anti-Annan plan campaign also, but that money were paid by Cypriots only.

Goodnight and have fun tonight.

[Bananiot]

The only money that for sure were paid and no one can dispute are the 50 000 bananas Papadopoulos collected from a Ukrainian businessman that funded his presidential campaign in 2003. In a civilised country this would have been recognised as a huge scandal and heads would fall but in the banana republic we live it was bypassed as something trivial and not only this, those responsible for it, have the audacity to claim that people were paid to betray their country. When Papadopoulos was asked about the 50 000 he replied "it does not concern me" and that was that!

Thank God he is on the way out. He has destroyed the soul of this country.

[Pyrpolizer]

I despair at Cypriot politics! We have today Lillikas 'proving' that Cyprus is not a black sheep with the support Russia is giving to the governments line regarding the state of things. If Lillikas hasn't noticed, we are members of the EU, not the Russian federation, and although Russian views are important and carry weight, they need to be put in context. We are busy making ourselves a laughing stock in the EU, whilst we try and canoodle with Russia and China! I thought we would be using our EU membership constructively. Instead we are using it to dig our own grave.

Look at how we handled Sweeden. We got them so angry that they were pushing views that were totaly against the interests of Cyprus. And to top it all, the British let the Sweeds represent them at the EU foreign ministers meeting! Its only by the level headedness of Portugal that we have an EU progress report that includes in large part the positions of the Cypriot government regarding Turkish progress.

With Kosovo we are shooting ourselves in the foot. We are the only EU country standing in the way of the inevitable and instead of minimising the risk of Kosovo becoming an example for Cyprus it is busy rufflling the feathers of our EU partners. What Cyprus should be doing is to show that the Kosovo example cant be used as a basis for a Cyprus solution for many obvious reasons, such as the fact most of the land and property in the north is GC owned, that there are a large number of settlers in the north of the island, that its population has been ethnically cleansed etc etc. All of these things didn;t happen in Kosovo. In fact, its the Serbs that have been largely pushed into enclaves and the independence of Kososvo gave the Serbs a large measure of autonomy within Kosovo, much like the TC's are being offered a large measure of autonomy within Cyprus.

All these things are obvious and common sense tactics to nullify Turkish intransigence and Turkish hopes of using Kosovo as an example for Cyprus. Yet our leaders can't see this and choose a stand that is contrary to our standing in the world.

Very well said.
They do the same with the so called isolation of the TCs by saying it doesn't exist.
Who can they convince? A degree of isolation exists and that's very obvious.And since they deny this basic fact, everybody laughs at us and Turkey propagandizes all over the world

The right thing to do should be to inform everybody that to the degree that isolation exists its due to the FACT that an ILEGALITY BASED ON THEFT considers them/or forces them/or they accept by themselves to be it's citizens.

[Pyrpolizer]

1963 my life was under threat from GCs and that goes for today as well with threats of war if you do not get your way so you trying to dislocate that from the whole process that is the Cyprus problem is just propaganda at it,s worse...or best from your point of view.

Our lives have been under threat from Turks for centuries.

Surely you didn't buy Zan's... "WWWIII began in 1963 and I witnessed it as a 3 year old" ...story did you? Zanny heard a couple of shotguns go off during the Partridge season and he thought the world came to an end!

Oh he was always like that, don't worry. A classic case of an expat living in isolation in a foreign and hostile environment where he never managed to adapt. Trying to explain what went on with his life.... Millions of excuses he could invent.

[Pyrpolizer]

Spot on mikkie. Very well said. We did the same foolish thing back in the 60's and 70's when we thought the non aligned movement was to be our saviour. We banked on Nasser of Egypt and Tito of Yugoslavia then, now its Putin of Russia. Again, we are flirting with disaster.

Bananiot will you stop your nonsense? We did flirt with the Anglo-americans in the past and we saw what happened. Just admit we are weak, those who have the power to do something for us, will just possibly move their little finger to sell our 10 pounds worth of wool for a few cents.

You have high hopes that something will change if Papadopoulos goes. Well, I as well hope that he goes. Have you however thought what will happen if any of the other 2 is elected and within his 5 year term we are still at square 1 regarding a solution?

The Cyprus problem will only be solved if it seriously harms someone's interests. Be it the interests of the EU, the Americans, the Russians or Turkey. As the situation was, still is, and will mot propably continue to be it harms nobody's interests. Except of course the interests of the refugees.