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[iceman]

Well iceman, it existed well before 1974, but lets not talk about this. It hurts.

yupp..........i can see that.

[Piratis]

The Cyprus problem as it exists today did in fact start with the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey in 1974.

If you generalize the term "Cyprus Problem", yes in fact you can say it is not something new. The Cypriot people have struggled for centuries to gain their freedom and self determination against foreign invadors such as the Turks and British who came to our island with the sole purpose of enslaving us, exploiting us, and taking away our freedom. Of course the term "Cyprus Problem" was recognized at around 1950s, since before that the Turks would simply butcher everybody that resisted their occupation and "solve" the problem in that way - until next time.

About the post by Cymart.

Vassiliou was and is an economist. Yes, he was good with economics and marketing, but apparently he knew nothing about handling the Cyprus problem, and as it is proven now he totally fucked up.

I had voted for him in presidential elections, and later on I voted for his party the first year it was created. But when I realized that when it comes to the Cyprus Problem he didn't care at all about what Cypriots wanted for their own island, then I abandoned him, like eventually almost everybody else did and his party didn't even manage to get 1.8% to get in the parliament during last elections.

He was good economist and in those terms he benefited Cyprus a lot, but when it comes to Cyprus problem he was and is clueless. I guess nobody can be great in everything. Maybe the best position for him would be a minister of economics, and not a president.

[iceman]

The Cyprus problem as it exists today did in fact start with the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey in 1974.

If you generalize the term "Cyprus Problem", yes in fact you can say it is not something new. The Cypriot people have struggled for centuries to gain their freedom and self determination against foreign invadors such as the Turks and British who came to our island with the sole purpose of enslaving us, exploiting us, and taking away our freedom. Of course the term "Cyprus Problem" was recognized at around 1950s, since before that the Turks would simply butcher everybody that resisted their occupation and "solve" the problem in that way - until next time.

Piratis,you are a joke.Does it hurt you also to mention 1963-1974 events where hundreds of Cypriots (GC/TC) were murdered?

[Piratis]

The Cyprus problem as it exists today did in fact start with the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey in 1974.

If you generalize the term "Cyprus Problem", yes in fact you can say it is not something new. The Cypriot people have struggled for centuries to gain their freedom and self determination against foreign invadors such as the Turks and British who came to our island with the sole purpose of enslaving us, exploiting us, and taking away our freedom. Of course the term "Cyprus Problem" was recognized at around 1950s, since before that the Turks would simply butcher everybody that resisted their occupation and "solve" the problem in that way - until next time.

Piratis,you are a joke.Does it hurt you also to mention 1963-1974 events where hundreds of Cypriots (GC/TC) were murdered?

The question was if the Cyprus Problem exists for 33 years, or for longer. I gave a clear answer: for 33 years in the form it exists today, but if you want to generalize the term "Cyprus Problem" and include every period that Cyprus had problems and conflicts, then the Cyprus Problem exists for centuries.

The period you talk about falls within the second wider and more general definition of "Cyprus Prbolem", but so do many other periods and events, such as the 1960 agreements that were forced on the Cypriot people, the inter-communal conflict of 58-59, the British rule of Cyprus, the Ottoman rule of Cyprus etc.

Or for you the enslavement, exploitation and mass murder of Cypriots by the 1000s and 10s of thousands is not a problem, simply because those Cypriots that suffered were not of your kind?

[pantheman]

Pan,
the cyprob has been around for 33 years

Well, just count them duh? I am not talking pre '74, no point going back further than that. At least before that we still owned our land and were free to move around without the gunpoint and to be free in our own country.

After the illegal invasion all that stopped, we were robbed, murdered, raped, ethincally cleansed and still 33 years later are unable to return home.

And I am sorry to have to say this yet again, but we are in this position because the USA and the UK ensure we stay here. No other country in the world would be allowed to violate so many UN resolutions, EU court actions and still get away with it. ( Unless you are israel of course another USA sponsored country) And the ironic thig about the EU rubbish, they still want to discuss Turkeys entry. FFS, the country has proven time and time agaian it is not fit for such a membership why the hell are you even talking to her. Why aren't you imposing economic sanctions and others as you would do to Iraq and other countries. Well, I think you all know the answer to that one.

So, yes 33 years is enough of a fuckup to deal with, anymore than that you have no chance otherwise there is no line to draw.

So, my dear Issy1956, I hope i have answered your post, 33 years is enough yes?

My maths are just fine, after 2 science degrees i think i can qualify.

And for Bananaidiot, i am no barbarian, don't judge everyone by your own standards mate. Have a nice day.

[zan]

The Cyprus problem as it exists today did in fact start with the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey in 1974.

If you generalize the term "Cyprus Problem", yes in fact you can say it is not something new. The Cypriot people have struggled for centuries to gain their freedom and self determination against foreign invadors such as the Turks and British who came to our island with the sole purpose of enslaving us, exploiting us, and taking away our freedom. Of course the term "Cyprus Problem" was recognized at around 1950s, since before that the Turks would simply butcher everybody that resisted their occupation and "solve" the problem in that way - until next time.

Piratis,you are a joke.Does it hurt you also to mention 1963-1974 events where hundreds of Cypriots (GC/TC) were murdered?

The question was if the Cyprus Problem exists for 33 years, or for longer. I gave a clear answer: for 33 years in the form it exists today, but if you want to generalize the term "Cyprus Problem" and include every period that Cyprus had problems and conflicts, then the Cyprus Problem exists for centuries.

The period you talk about falls within the second wider and more general definition of "Cyprus Prbolem", but so do many other periods and events, such as the 1960 agreements that were forced on the Cypriot people, the inter-communal conflict of 58-59, the British rule of Cyprus, the Ottoman rule of Cyprus etc.

Or for you the enslavement, exploitation and mass murder of Cypriots by the 1000s and 10s of thousands is not a problem, simply because those Cypriots that suffered were not of your kind?

1963 my life was under threat from GCs and that goes for today as well with threats of war if you do not get your way so you trying to dislocate that from the whole process that is the Cyprus problem is just propaganda at it,s worse...or best from your point of view.

It is great that a man that uses the Ottomans from year dot to justify sticking children in open graves whilst still alive decides that the period between 16963 and 1974 does not play a part in Cyprus history of violence against a people that he cannot find blame with.....Funny that


It is also a shame that that period in which Cyprus was not a free place for the TCs and we did have to go every where at the point of a GC gun does not feature in Panthemans mind either........I am beginning to think that it was not taught in GC schools....

[cymart]

Some people cannot accept that anyone can have a different opinion to this government about what is wrong with Cyprus today.....This sounds dangerously like 'Putinland' in Russia where political opponents are verbally and physically harrassed and even beaten up and jailed and where anyone who questions the government is called a traitor and in the pay of foreign powers who are plotting to destroy the country etc!I have heard dangerously similar rhetoric from supporters of Papadopoulos here and this is another reason why this man must not be re-elected!I can't stand people who use nationalist poison to justify their beliefs and am glad there are other sensible people here who share my beliefs on both sides of the line!Sign the petition at:www.petitiononline.com/cypblogs1/petition
My wife is very Greek-Cypriot but thinks Cyprus society today and the corruption that goes on here stink,as do her family who live in England!
People who are afraid to admit the truth usually have something to hide,just like Papad. who refused to appear on the Cyprus Universities t.v debate with the other two candidates-obviously he has nothing to offer young people...... who want a change in the current establishment!

[Bananiot]

Hear hear!

[-mikkie2-]

I despair at Cypriot politics! We have today Lillikas 'proving' that Cyprus is not a black sheep with the support Russia is giving to the governments line regarding the state of things. If Lillikas hasn't noticed, we are members of the EU, not the Russian federation, and although Russian views are important and carry weight, they need to be put in context. We are busy making ourselves a laughing stock in the EU, whilst we try and canoodle with Russia and China! I thought we would be using our EU membership constructively. Instead we are using it to dig our own grave.

Look at how we handled Sweeden. We got them so angry that they were pushing views that were totaly against the interests of Cyprus. And to top it all, the British let the Sweeds represent them at the EU foreign ministers meeting! Its only by the level headedness of Portugal that we have an EU progress report that includes in large part the positions of the Cypriot government regarding Turkish progress.

With Kosovo we are shooting ourselves in the foot. We are the only EU country standing in the way of the inevitable and instead of minimising the risk of Kosovo becoming an example for Cyprus it is busy rufflling the feathers of our EU partners. What Cyprus should be doing is to show that the Kosovo example cant be used as a basis for a Cyprus solution for many obvious reasons, such as the fact most of the land and property in the north is GC owned, that there are a large number of settlers in the north of the island, that its population has been ethnically cleansed etc etc. All of these things didn;t happen in Kosovo. In fact, its the Serbs that have been largely pushed into enclaves and the independence of Kososvo gave the Serbs a large measure of autonomy within Kosovo, much like the TC's are being offered a large measure of autonomy within Cyprus.

All these things are obvious and common sense tactics to nullify Turkish intransigence and Turkish hopes of using Kosovo as an example for Cyprus. Yet our leaders can't see this and choose a stand that is contrary to our standing in the world.

[Piratis]

1963 my life was under threat from GCs and that goes for today as well with threats of war if you do not get your way so you trying to dislocate that from the whole process that is the Cyprus problem is just propaganda at it,s worse...or best from your point of view.

Our lives have been under threat from Turks for centuries. Today against us there is not just a "threat of war" but an actual war where the invader is occupying our homes and is ready to shoot and kill us if we try to take back what belongs to us. I didn't say that your suffering and your problem is not part of the Cyprus problem. I am simply pointing to the fact that your suffering is simply a drop in the ocean compared to the suffering you caused to us, and it very selfish from you to expect that the "Cyprus Problem" exists only when you have a problem.

It is great that a man that uses the Ottomans from year dot to justify sticking children in open graves whilst still alive decides that the period between 16963 and 1974 does not play a part in Cyprus history of violence against a people that he cannot find blame with

You have killed way more children and raped under aged girls as well. So don't try to pretend to be the innocent victim. I didn't say that the problems we had during that period did not play part in Cyprus history. What I said is that the Cyprus problem as it exists today started in 1974, while the other problems and conflicts in Cyprus between GCs and Turks start way earlier, not in 63.