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[insan]

Metecyp, I'm seriously sincere about my opinions in above post. Noone have to wait GC leadership to agree upon exchange of properties. Let's say a TC planing to make an investment in tourism industry and needs money. He left substantial amount of land and property in South. what should he do? Of course he has to sell the land which he was given in return what he left in South. The TCs who have given equivelant amount of land in return what they left in South should be free to sell their lands and properties for whatever purpose or reason they believe. If settlers sell the lands belong to GCs, I'm only against the settlers selling the properties and the lands belong to GCs.

Anyhow, the TCs who plans to exchange their properties or return to South woudn't sell the properties that they were given. so where's the problem?

[Agios Amvrosios]

inhumane embargos being imposed upon TC community in last 30 years

The illegal ,self proclaimed "TRNC" is a pariah state for a reason.

The emabrgo against the "TRNC" is completely legal and should continue.

[insan]

inhumane embargos being imposed upon TC community in last 30 years

The illegal ,self proclaimed "TRNC" is a pariah state for a reason.

The emabrgo against the "TRNC" is completely legal and should continue.

"TRNC" was established because of the negative stance of GC leadership. "TRNC" has been living for 30 years because of the negative stance of GC leadership. The GC leadership seemingly agreed upon a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation but when TC leadeship asked exchange of properties they rejected. They also rejected the "political equality" of TC community. All they want is the full control of Cyprus, return of all refugees and nullifying the 60s treaties and agreements.


The youngsters of 74 are 60 or 70 y.o at the moment. The children of 74 are 30-40 y.o at the moment. What is the loss of these people because of unresolved Cyprus problem and the inhumane embargos being imposed upon them? You don't care eh? We don't expect you to care about any TC anyway. Trying to communicate someone like you is a waste of time anyway...

[erolz]

inhumane embargos being imposed upon TC community in last 30 years

The illegal ,self proclaimed "TRNC" is a pariah state for a reason.

The emabrgo against the "TRNC" is completely legal and should continue.

The TRNC is a Pariah state that the UN,EU UK and US have comitted themselves to easing the economic and international isolation off. There is also a reason for this.

[insan]

Europeans buying former GC land/property in the north might be profitable for some in the short run but it does nothing for unification in the long run. It makes everything more complicated. I agree with Sener Levent on this one. If we're sincere about uniting the island and welcoming GCs in the north, we should stop acting so arrogantly on such a sensitive issue for GCs, so we could expect the same from them.

Ayshe has two children studying at University. She needs money to look after them, pay their expenses. She was given 3 donums of land equivelant what she left in South. Who can stop Ayshe to sell her land to foreigners for any price possible under the current circumstances of North? You metecyp of Levent? Ok. You have to look after and pay the expenses of the children of Ayshe if you want to protect the properties belong to GCs in North.


Mehmet was 4 y.o in 1974. He is now 34 y.o and have two kids. He wants to establish a small business to look after his kids and buil them a more promising future. He has 5 donums of land that was given to him as the equivelant of what he left in South. Who can stop Mehmet to sell some donums of land for establishing a small business in North, under the embargos? Levent and metecyp? Ok, you have to provide Mehmet the money he needs to establish a small business to look after his kids and build them a better future.


Tell me metecyp, who will pay TCs losses for the past, wasted 30 and even 40 years. You or Levent?

[metecyp]

Tell me metecyp, who will pay TCs losses for the past, wasted 30 and even 40 years. You or Levent?

I understand your concerns. It's survival issue again. TCs need to survive so I can understand why a TC who left a substantial land in the south might feel that he owns the GC land given to him in the north. But we know that this is not always the case. There're many cases where settlers sell land or some TC who didn't have anything in the south sell land in the north. Do you see anyone saying anything about these? You said you're against settlers selling land, well, doesn't it at least bother you to see that it's actually happenning?

Secondly, we say we accept the Annan plan. That means we're ready to accept a significant number of GCs to the north. Then, as soon as the Annan plan is down, we start filling empty GC land in the north with properties, hoping that the property will be valued higher than the land and it'll be given to a TC rather than its original GC owner. Does this sound sincere to you? Does this help for unification at all? I don't think so.

And finally, what about GC losses? I know TCs lost a lot in the last 30-40 years. My grandfather lost 1 shop and 2 flats in 1963. He lost another shop in 1974. So I know what you're talking about. But does this mean that I can go and grab an innocent GC's land in the north and claim that it's mine since my grandfather lost so much?

I don't think so but the same time, I can't wait another 40 years for property issue to be solved. It's a delicate issue and there's no right or wrong answer. I don't feel right building my future on a disputed land but at the same time, I can't waste all my life in limbo and not get anything accomplished.

[boulio]

The TRNC is a Pariah state that the UN,EU UK and US have comitted themselves to easing the economic and international isolation off. There is also a reason for this.

thats what they tell you,if they could they would have,they cant so they are not,welcome to reality.

[boulio]

Tell me metecyp, who will pay TCs losses for the past, wasted 30 and even 40 years. You or Levent?

maybe you should look at your motherland and the turkish elite who sealed your fate on in august of 1974 with the second offensive.

[insan]

Tell me metecyp, who will pay TCs losses for the past, wasted 30 and even 40 years. You or Levent?

maybe you should look at your motherland and the turkish elite who sealed your fate on in august of 1974 with the second offensive.

Watch Angastionitis movie, read a bit about Geneva meetings to understand the reasons of second phase of the Turkish intervention.

27th of July 1974

Wiggin: 'Mr. Kirca, can you give us an assurance that your forces will halt their advance if the other side stops firing?'

Kirca: Immediately!'

Bitsios: 'But, at the moment, there are various bands of irregular soldiers about who will not take orders from us. Would the Turks feel justified in further advances if one of these groups acted in an irresponsible manner?'

Kirca: 'I'm afraid I do not understand. You send Greek officers to command them and now plead that "you cannot control them." This, I cannot accept. I speak for the whole of our forces, including the Turkish-Cypriot Fighters, and I expect the Greek delegation to be in a similar position. Mr. Mavros is asking for an undertaking that Turkish units will not advance even if fired on or if Turkish villagers are subjected to massacre. Is this reasonable?'

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/30_hot_d ... pt%203.htm


And of course ask one of the ex-members of ex EOKA-B. EOKA-B terror organization that was still active until the early-78. After the intervention of 1974, noone in the South could dare to touch those irregular bands. To the contrary they were protected by some far-right political cycles. They kept threatining Makarios openly and publicly. Makarios was obliged to pass a bill and forgive all of them. In early 1978 EOKA-B announced its formal dissolution

[MicAtCyp]

It is obvious that the properties that are sold to foreigners by displaced TCs have an equivelant in South Cyprus.

I think you are lying intentionally here. The fact is that the many TCs got double and tripple compared to what they left behind whereas others got about equal and others got nothing.And whatever was left was distributed to the settlers. You yourself said many times that you got nothing....True or not?

Noone have to wait GC leadership to agree upon exchange of properties. Let's say a TC planing to make an investment in tourism industry and needs money.

First of all who told you even under any solution there will be a forced exchange of properties? And who told you that we have to agree with Denktash’es term to exchange the 18% with the 37% of properties and get compensated for the difference? If it is so, then take our proposal to compensate you for whatever you own at the pseudo and at the free areas and give us everything. Does that sound fair to you?

If your side would like to apply an equal for an equal exchange and not "wait the GC leadership" to agree on an exchange of properties it should have first returned the 19% surplus to the owners. Then it could say I have exactly what I left behind, I distribute it to the TCs and I give them the OK to consider it exchanged land to what they left behind. Did they do so? No!! Did they punish anyone who sold the GC stolen property and then came to the free areas asking for his property back? No! For me this is a clear indication YOU WANT IT ALL, AND EVEN MORE than that.

Then you come and say Ayse,Mehmet and your bussiness man need to sell their presumably equivalent properties to satisfy their needs. If this is so, they should first present their title deeds for the properties they left behind, sign them off, give them to the UN or any foreign ambassador, and those documents deprive them any right for property exchange or state help after a solution. Did your pseudo arrange for any procedure like that? Do I have to bet that after a solution those people will come back wanting the properties they left behind back? Your pseudo my friend is a pack of thieves, and since you are provoking, everyone who sells property that does not belong to him and everybody who tries to find excuses for this happening, is a part of the pack of thieves himself.

"TRNC" was established because of the negative stance of GC leadership.

The pseudo-state was established as soon Denktash and Turkey started getting relaxed from the international pressure after the 1974 Invasion..It was alawys your dream to have a separate state and Denktash was simply ridiculing the negotiations and the UN all these years.Yet you come here without shame to talk of the "negative stance of the GCs" to Denktashes capitulation demands. Sorry for not been more positive, we will not do it again.

What is the loss of these people because of unresolved Cyprus problem and the inhumane embargos being imposed upon them? You don't care eh? We don't expect you to care about any TC anyway. Trying to communicate someone like you is a waste of time anyway...

What is the loss of 200,000 GC refugees and their children all these years? What is their loss for not being able to sell your own properties like your respected business man REEEEEE??? What is their loss for having to work for years like imprisoned slaves at the deserts of Saudi Arabia, and cleaning toilets in Australia, you irrational man who only knows to cry for not caring enough for you? Ask yourself how much you ever cared about us, and what did you ever do to even lessen the pain of our refugees just by one per cent...

PS. As for Sener Levent I ‘d rather prefer to verbaly call him a traitor, rather than charging him for treason and put him in jail like you did.How many charges does he have against him now? A few months ago they were about 1100. How many years does he have to serve for each charge? About 30?