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[Bananiot]

Nikitas

"So Bananiot was correct - almost half the SBA would have been returned to the Cypriot communities under the AP. " wrote London Boy

No he was not! The offer was made conditional to the Annan plan being accepted. Acceptance of the Annan plan would have multiplied the total area ot the SBAs at the expense of Cyprus as a whole, since it gave them sea territory which included the Exclusive Economic Zone stratching out to hundreds of miles in the sea. In effect it was a British ploy to INCREASE the SBA area if, and only if, the Annan pland was accepted by both sides.

Note that it is a unilateral offer, not a valid and binding agreement. It was Britain talking to itself, not to us, either one of us.

And above all- the Greek component state would still be cut in two by the Dekhelia base. If you fail to understand the significance of this then you have a problem!

What the heck are you talking about Nikitas. First you question my post (quite rightly because you did not know about it) but then, when proof is produced, you claim that I was wrong because the Brits would have given back 1/2 the land of the Sovereign bases to the Greek (mostly) component state, only if the referendum went through. May I remind you that all provisions included in the Plan too, would have been implemented on the condition that both communities voted for the Plan. Do you know another way to do business?

Now it is my turn to ask. Where did you see that the Brits would have got the full rights of the Exclusive Economic Zone? Please provide proof.

[Bananiot]

Phoenix, do you want Viewpoint to become Greek? What do you mean by integration, something more than just paying the taxes? Becoming Christian, for example? Do you realise that you are practically saying that Turkey did the right thing to invade in 1974?

[Viewpoint]

phoenix

Unless ALL the Turkish troops leave, ALL of Turkey's influence dissolved, ALL the settlers returned to Turkey, ALL of Cyprus restored to the RoC, we will continue to be in the SAME mess as we are in now.

Any little bit of Turkish influence still remaining will lead to the slow reintroduction, re-Turkification of the island that we are trying to get away from.

It's like trying to get rid of algae . . . unless you get rid of every last cell, as soon as your back is turned, they would have colonised again.

I'm sure you've said something like this before..........which I interpret as you really want all of Cyprus for yourselves

Zero marks for interpretation then.

The RoC is the only Internationally acceptable governing body for the WHOLE of Cyprus. Only the Turks dispute this.

Yes I do re-iterate my opinion, which is that I want to negate Turkish influence in Cyprus.

Do you have a problem with resolving the Cyprus issue by removing the one which has caused it?

Yes, in resolving it your way ..........

Any little bit of Turkish influence still remaining

How do you propose I give up any Turkish influence I (and many like me) have ? Do I wake up one morning and start to speak Greek ?

Because if an outsider / migrant from Country Y wants to live in Country X , they have to integrate with the customs of Country X (otherwise why GO there and not stay in Country Y) rather than force Country X to become Country Y .

Get it?

BTW Speaking the same language is a prerequisite not an option. You speak English in the UK don't you?

Of course I 'get it' your way....

But I'm talking about Turkish Cypriots, not outsiders, not migrants, but people that call Cyprus their home. My parents, grandparents, their parents, they were all born in Cyprus. But somehow you consider us as outsiders.

Well technically you are!

You are the last of the Invaders that have still not integrated.

Perhaps we need to ask why?

My answer would be that you do not want to integrate. You do not respect the culture you invaded and you want to change it.

So we have to defend ourselves from extinction, which is what would happen if we let you change and Turkify us.

This is typical GC mentality exposed, thank you for being honest which many GCs are not, you are a prime example of what GCs really think about TCs and the dangers we would face in a united a Cyprus. TCs should take note and understand what we are dealing with when we support partition as sharing acountry with this type of mentality will reduce you to a second class citizen in your own country ruled by GCs.

So that's a "NO! I don't want to integrate" from VP then

I dont mind living side by side with GCs but this doesnt mean I want to become a GC, theres a big difference.

[Bananiot]

I have thought of a good name for Halil, after he becomes integrated. Hailos is a good name for him and I can just about see GR becoming his God father.

Can anyone suggest names for the rest of our would be integrated Turkish Cypriot friends?

[Get Real!]

I have thought of a good name for Halil, after he becomes integrated. Hailos is a good name for him and I can just about see GR becoming his God father.

Can anyone suggest names for the rest of our would be integrated Turkish Cypriot friends?

I will happily be Halil's Godfather if he promises not to wear his birthday suit...

On a different note Bananiot, come and entertain me please on how Christofias or Kashoulides will fair in the EU...
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=80

[Bananiot]

Wow, I am sure he will get his skin stitched back first, it comes with integration.

[phoenix]

Phoenix, I do not like people calling others traitors, just because their point of view is different. This takes us back many decades and shows that our political culture is still below zero. The main culprit is Papadopoulos and his followers who claimed that 100 000 Greek Cypriots that voted "yes" in the referendum were traitors. He also claimed that we were paid to do so, by foreigners.

I did not call anyone a traitor for merely having a different point of view:

Bananiot I am sorry, but I still view anyone who wants to give ANY part of Cyprus away to the Turks / other non-Cypriots as traitors.

........ which is exactly what the word traitor can be used for:

traitor
One who violates his allegiance and betrays his/her country; one guilty of treason; one who, in breach of trust, delivers his country to an enemy, or yields up any fort or place intrusted to his defense, or surrenders an army or body of troops to the enemy, unless when vanquished; also, one who takes arms and levies war against his country; or one who aids an enemy in conquering his country.

I know it is painful to be associated with this word, but think carefully Bananiot, because that is exactly what traitors are . . . those that give their country to an enemy.

Or is Cyprus NOT your country?

[denizaksulu]

phoenix

Unless ALL the Turkish troops leave, ALL of Turkey's influence dissolved, ALL the settlers returned to Turkey, ALL of Cyprus restored to the RoC, we will continue to be in the SAME mess as we are in now.

Any little bit of Turkish influence still remaining will lead to the slow reintroduction, re-Turkification of the island that we are trying to get away from.

It's like trying to get rid of algae . . . unless you get rid of every last cell, as soon as your back is turned, they would have colonised again.

I'm sure you've said something like this before..........which I interpret as you really want all of Cyprus for yourselves

Zero marks for interpretation then.

The RoC is the only Internationally acceptable governing body for the WHOLE of Cyprus. Only the Turks dispute this.

Yes I do re-iterate my opinion, which is that I want to negate Turkish influence in Cyprus.

Do you have a problem with resolving the Cyprus issue by removing the one which has caused it?

Yes, in resolving it your way ..........

Any little bit of Turkish influence still remaining

How do you propose I give up any Turkish influence I (and many like me) have ? Do I wake up one morning and start to speak Greek ?

Because if an outsider / migrant from Country Y wants to live in Country X , they have to integrate with the customs of Country X (otherwise why GO there and not stay in Country Y) rather than force Country X to become Country Y .

Get it?

BTW Speaking the same language is a prerequisite not an option. You speak English in the UK don't you?

Of course I 'get it' your way....

But I'm talking about Turkish Cypriots, not outsiders, not migrants, but people that call Cyprus their home. My parents, grandparents, their parents, they were all born in Cyprus. But somehow you consider us as outsiders.

Well technically you are!

You are the last of the Invaders that have still not integrated.

Perhaps we need to ask why?

My answer would be that you do not want to integrate. You do not respect the culture you invaded and you want to change it.

So we have to defend ourselves from extinction, which is what would happen if we let you change and Turkify us.

Phoenix mou, do I understand correctly; you wish us to integrate to save yourselves from extinction? Thats odd.

[phoenix]

phoenix

Unless ALL the Turkish troops leave, ALL of Turkey's influence dissolved, ALL the settlers returned to Turkey, ALL of Cyprus restored to the RoC, we will continue to be in the SAME mess as we are in now.

Any little bit of Turkish influence still remaining will lead to the slow reintroduction, re-Turkification of the island that we are trying to get away from.

It's like trying to get rid of algae . . . unless you get rid of every last cell, as soon as your back is turned, they would have colonised again.

I'm sure you've said something like this before..........which I interpret as you really want all of Cyprus for yourselves

Zero marks for interpretation then.

The RoC is the only Internationally acceptable governing body for the WHOLE of Cyprus. Only the Turks dispute this.

Yes I do re-iterate my opinion, which is that I want to negate Turkish influence in Cyprus.

Do you have a problem with resolving the Cyprus issue by removing the one which has caused it?

Yes, in resolving it your way ..........

Any little bit of Turkish influence still remaining

How do you propose I give up any Turkish influence I (and many like me) have ? Do I wake up one morning and start to speak Greek ?

Because if an outsider / migrant from Country Y wants to live in Country X , they have to integrate with the customs of Country X (otherwise why GO there and not stay in Country Y) rather than force Country X to become Country Y .

Get it?

BTW Speaking the same language is a prerequisite not an option. You speak English in the UK don't you?

Of course I 'get it' your way....

But I'm talking about Turkish Cypriots, not outsiders, not migrants, but people that call Cyprus their home. My parents, grandparents, their parents, they were all born in Cyprus. But somehow you consider us as outsiders.

Well technically you are!

You are the last of the Invaders that have still not integrated.

Perhaps we need to ask why?

My answer would be that you do not want to integrate. You do not respect the culture you invaded and you want to change it.

So we have to defend ourselves from extinction, which is what would happen if we let you change and Turkify us.

Phoenix mou, do I understand correctly; you wish us to integrate to save yourselves from extinction? Thats odd.

Only if you re-arrange my sentences deniz. I'm sure you can get me to say anything that way

[phoenix]

Phoenix, do you want Viewpoint to become Greek? What do you mean by integration, something more than just paying the taxes? Becoming Christian, for example? Do you realise that you are practically saying that Turkey did the right thing to invade in 1974?

Only in your dreams would I say that Bananiot

VP cannot become Greek just as I cannot become English. But as already described, we need to sympathetically integrate into the prevalent native culture . . . . which on Cyprus is Cypriot and not Turkish.