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[74LB]

Londonboy....... my observation on this forum and a recent visit to our country what I have noticed very clearly is that Turkish speaking Cyprots themselves are the ones who consider themselves foreigners, the one's who do not are two kinds, they have moved back to their homes mainly in cities because it is safer, secondly they consider Cyprus (the whole Island) as their home and since they lived in the now occupied areas of Cyprus and their villages and homes were in the north part of the Island have no need to move to the free areas and rightly should not.

There is a place for Turkish speaking Cypriots in Cyprus and that means all of it, it means they have the right and have their lands in Paphos, Larnaca, Lemesos, Gyrne and Karpasia.


What they do not have right to is refugee owned land claiming it as theirs at the exclussion of other Cypriots.

Humanist, I'm glad that you feel there is a place in Cyprus for us TC's.
The land issue is one that has caused heartache and will continue to do so until both sides can agree a solution. Not easy, but we live in hope.

[humanist]

londonboy

Humanist, I'm glad that you feel there is a place in Cyprus for us TC's.
The land issue is one that has caused heartache and will continue to do so until both sides can agree a solution. Not easy, but we live in hope.

Ofcourse I do. Not even a matter of question as far as am concerned. Really mate the land is just an excuse used by both sides, because individuals benefit.

Am we could settle that account very quicly for a trully unified country.

[humanist]

In time you will realise that the Annan plan was probably the best you were going to get and were stupid to reject it. I dont you will get the same terms again. Just my opinion.

Do you think this attitude would make for a genuine reconciliation? What is the purpose of any unification if it is not authentic from and for both communties. Can we take he debate to a higher level?

[Bananiot]

Phoenix

Bananiot I am sorry, but I still view anyone who wants to give ANY part of Cyprus away to the Turks / other non-Cypriots as traitors.

When the different view is vilified we have a classic banana republic. These things do not happen in a truly democratic country that happens to be a member of the EU too. Anyway, you are too far away from the problems the natives face.

GR

Bananiot, I’ll wager that if Turkey were to get up one day and just want out you’d probably be at their feet begging them to stay and make it hell for us to be independent… such is the nature of the masochist serf!

I could say the same thing about many of our politicians who would be looking for a new, hard to find job. I could say the same thing about many of our arm chair fighters who are waging war against Turkey from their living room. After Turkey has left they would fall into deep depression.

I wish you would read and understand what I am saying GR, without bias. I am sure you have the capacity to do so. If we do not go after options that are feasible we will end up like the dinosaurs. If you are a Piratis disciple and you also think that we should allow things to stay as they are until we get a better opportunity, then let me tell you that things will not stay as they are. This is a dynamic world we are living in and it does not take a brilliant mind to realise that change will be at our expense.

[Kikapu]

Here are some facts regarding the solution we rejected:
we would be left with about 60 thousands settlers at worse, rather than the 300 000 we have today.

Bananiot,

I usually do not contradict you in what you write, but the above caught my attention. Are you really saying, that there are 300,000 Mainland Turks in the "TRNC now. Wow, that is more than twice as True TC's, even if we do include the 40,000 Turkish Troops into the mix. And as far as all the Mainland Turks would have returned back to Turkey except for 60,000 if the AP was agreed on, then how do you explain what our good friend Halil posted just yesterday with this on another thread.

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:07 pm

halil
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Article 3 Cypriot citizenship upon entry into force of the Foundation Agreement
1. Upon entry into force of the Foundation Agreement, the following persons shall be considered citizens of Cyprus:
a. Any person who held Cypriot citizenship in 1960 and his or her descendants;
b. Any person who enjoyed permanent residence in Cyprus for at least seven years before reaching the age of 18 and for at least one year during the last five years;
c. Any person who is married to a Cypriot citizen and has enjoyed permanent residence for at least two years in Cyprus; and
d. Minor children of the persons in the above categories who enjoy permanent residence in Cyprus.
2. In addition to the above, persons whose names figure on a list handed over to the Secretary-General of the United Nations by each party to the Comprehensive Settlement by 10 March 2003 shall be citizens of Cyprus. Each side’s list may number no more than 33,000 persons, inclusive of spouses and children, unless there are specific reasons preventing such spouses and children from being considered citizens of Cyprus. Applicants shall be included on the list based on the length of their residence in Cyprus.

Based on what Halil posted, it sounds to me like, almost all of the Mainland Turks would have been eligible to become Cypriot Citizens, except for very, very, very, very few, who may have arrived on the last boat to the "TRNC" from Turkey, and even then, they would have had to been paid, to re-locate back to Turkey or where ever else they may have come from. I know you trust Halil, so what do you say to his post Bananiot.??

Bananiot,

Could I ask you please to respond to this post that was made to you specially...

Thanks.

[phoenix]

But I'm talking about Turkish Cypriots, not outsiders, not migrants, but people that call Cyprus their home. My parents, grandparents, their parents, they were all born in Cyprus. But somehow you consider us as outsiders.

Well technically you are!

You are the last of the Invaders that have still not integrated.

Perhaps we need to ask why?

My answer would be that you do not want to integrate. You do not respect the culture you invaded and you want to change it.

So we have to defend ourselves from extinction, which is what would happen if we let you change and Turkify us.

Wow, what a mindset - are you really concerned about extinction ?

You are slowly but surely telling me that there is no place in Cyprus for Turkish Cypriots.
Well, I honestly don't think we'll be leaving the island in your 'safe' hands.

Anyway, looks like we can never agree and you are doing your best to point me in the direction of partition.

On the contrary your mindset is recalcitrant to change and integration.

You would rather see partition of the island than accept the culture native to the island.

[74LB]

But I'm talking about Turkish Cypriots, not outsiders, not migrants, but people that call Cyprus their home. My parents, grandparents, their parents, they were all born in Cyprus. But somehow you consider us as outsiders.

Well technically you are!

You are the last of the Invaders that have still not integrated.

Perhaps we need to ask why?

My answer would be that you do not want to integrate. You do not respect the culture you invaded and you want to change it.

So we have to defend ourselves from extinction, which is what would happen if we let you change and Turkify us.

Wow, what a mindset - are you really concerned about extinction ?

You are slowly but surely telling me that there is no place in Cyprus for Turkish Cypriots.
Well, I honestly don't think we'll be leaving the island in your 'safe' hands.

Anyway, looks like we can never agree and you are doing your best to point me in the direction of partition.

On the contrary your mindset is recalcitrant to change and integration.

You would rather see partition of the island than accept the culture native to the island.

If you say so.

[phoenix]

But I'm talking about Turkish Cypriots, not outsiders, not migrants, but people that call Cyprus their home. My parents, grandparents, their parents, they were all born in Cyprus. But somehow you consider us as outsiders.

Well technically you are!

You are the last of the Invaders that have still not integrated.

Perhaps we need to ask why?

My answer would be that you do not want to integrate. You do not respect the culture you invaded and you want to change it.

So we have to defend ourselves from extinction, which is what would happen if we let you change and Turkify us.

Wow, what a mindset - are you really concerned about extinction ?

You are slowly but surely telling me that there is no place in Cyprus for Turkish Cypriots.
Well, I honestly don't think we'll be leaving the island in your 'safe' hands.

Anyway, looks like we can never agree and you are doing your best to point me in the direction of partition.

On the contrary your mindset is recalcitrant to change and integration.

You would rather see partition of the island than accept the culture native to the island.

If you say so.

Evidently ....

[74LB]

But I'm talking about Turkish Cypriots, not outsiders, not migrants, but people that call Cyprus their home. My parents, grandparents, their parents, they were all born in Cyprus. But somehow you consider us as outsiders.

Well technically you are!

You are the last of the Invaders that have still not integrated.

Perhaps we need to ask why?

My answer would be that you do not want to integrate. You do not respect the culture you invaded and you want to change it.

So we have to defend ourselves from extinction, which is what would happen if we let you change and Turkify us.

Wow, what a mindset - are you really concerned about extinction ?

You are slowly but surely telling me that there is no place in Cyprus for Turkish Cypriots.
Well, I honestly don't think we'll be leaving the island in your 'safe' hands.

Anyway, looks like we can never agree and you are doing your best to point me in the direction of partition.

On the contrary your mindset is recalcitrant to change and integration.

You would rather see partition of the island than accept the culture native to the island.

If you say so.

Evidently ....

Whatever

[Nikitas]

"So Bananiot was correct - almost half the SBA would have been returned to the Cypriot communities under the AP. " wrote London Boy

No he was not! The offer was made conditional to the Annan plan being accepted. Acceptance of the Annan plan would have multiplied the total area ot the SBAs at the expense of Cyprus as a whole, since it gave them sea territory which included the Exclusive Economic Zone stratching out to hundreds of miles in the sea. In effect it was a British ploy to INCREASE the SBA area if, and only if, the Annan pland was accepted by both sides.

Note that it is a unilateral offer, not a valid and binding agreement. It was Britain talking to itself, not to us, either one of us.

And above all- the Greek component state would still be cut in two by the Dekhelia base. If you fail to understand the significance of this then you have a problem!