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[phoenix]

phoenix

Unless ALL the Turkish troops leave, ALL of Turkey's influence dissolved, ALL the settlers returned to Turkey, ALL of Cyprus restored to the RoC, we will continue to be in the SAME mess as we are in now.

Any little bit of Turkish influence still remaining will lead to the slow reintroduction, re-Turkification of the island that we are trying to get away from.

It's like trying to get rid of algae . . . unless you get rid of every last cell, as soon as your back is turned, they would have colonised again.

I'm sure you've said something like this before..........which I interpret as you really want all of Cyprus for yourselves

Zero marks for interpretation then.

The RoC is the only Internationally acceptable governing body for the WHOLE of Cyprus. Only the Turks dispute this.

Yes I do re-iterate my opinion, which is that I want to negate Turkish influence in Cyprus.

Do you have a problem with resolving the Cyprus issue by removing the one which has caused it?

Yes, in resolving it your way ..........

Any little bit of Turkish influence still remaining

How do you propose I give up any Turkish influence I (and many like me) have ? Do I wake up one morning and start to speak Greek ?

Because if an outsider / migrant from Country Y wants to live in Country X , they have to integrate with the customs of Country X (otherwise why GO there and not stay in Country Y) rather than force Country X to become Country Y .

Get it?

BTW Speaking the same language is a prerequisite not an option. You speak English in the UK don't you?

[Piratis]

Bananiot, Annan plan was the worst kind of partition.

Not only it would partition Cyprus and it would officially Turkify the north part of our country, but as a result of it instead of "half state" we would end up with "half pseudo state", without an international voice (since at that level the TCs/Settlers(=Turkey) would be able to block everything, and some foreign judges(=US/UK) would take the decisons, not Cypriots).

So the Annan plan was not something "good" that we rejected hopping for something "better". Annan plan was the worst, not only from the status quo but even from an official partition.

For a mere 7% of land that would be given to us*, because lets face it very few Greek Cypriots would go to live under Turkish occupation, we would have given up not only our human rights and the rest 29% of our island officially to the Turks, but also given up the only thing we have to fight for our rights: Republic of Cyprus.

*It is even questionable if Turkey would give that 7% back. Today they violate international law, disobey UN resolutions and occupy the 36% of a UN and EU country. After we had accepted the Annan plan, what would stop them to illegally occupy 7% of some "component state" without an international voice or EU veto power? In fact the Annan plan would legalize the presence of the Turkish troops in Cyprus and replace the UN resolution that calls for the immediate withdrawal of Turkish troops from Cyprus, with some agreement that Turkey would withdraw her troops based on some agreed timeline. If Turkey did not withdrew her troops she would simply violating some agreement and some timetable. It would be a mere "delay in the implementation of some agreement", as opposed to violating a UN resolution and international law.

If you find something else benefitial except that 7% that maybe we would get back, then what would it be?

The compensations that we would get? No, we would have to drop all cases from ECHR, and Turkey wouldn't have to pay a cent. We would compensate ourselves. Even the illegal committee they made in the occupied areas would be better than Annan plan. At least with that the Turks are paying the compensations, not us.

So Bananiot with Annan plan we would partition our country, fuck up even that something we are left with, all so we would get the sticker "united Cyprus" so some of you would be happy that we were the "good boys" and did what the British wanted us to do.

[Get Real!]

"Bananiot, isn’t the larger blue area at Akrotiri shown on the map the useless swamp?" Asks GR

If memory serves the area is designated by the EU as being a SPA, special protection area for migratory birds.

This is very funny coming from a devout hunter!

[Get Real!]

Bananiot, I’ll wager that if Turkey were to get up one day and just want out you’d probably be at their feet begging them to stay and make it hell for us to be independent… such is the nature of the masochist serf!

[humanist]

nikitas
There is not a single source of drinking water in the above map and 80% of the coastline is inaccessible volcanic rock...not so "equitable" is it?

Then hand it back to all Cyprios and stop winging.

[phoenix]

No ideal solutions, Phoenix, but options. Think about this Pheonix and think hard, for its easy to resort to populist rhetoric that is most palatable but eventually brings more misery and pain.

My rhetoric is unfortunately less populist than necessary to safeguard Cyprus' future.

Maybe we have options in the number of "ideal" solutions that exist . . . after all I would deem your desires for partition of Cyprus as populist amongst Turk-TCs and ideal for you personally . . . otherwise why hold such a view?

An ideal solution may be adhered to with the realisation it is not perfect, because perfection may be unachievable.

You can't prevent misery and pain to all. But the right solution for Cyprus, especially in the long term is my driving force.

I do not want to leave a legacy of loss. I was born in a Cyprus that was whole, though not yet independent. We had a brief taste of that fruit of Freedom, although tainted by Turks.

That glimpse of what could be is my guiding principle.

Bananiot I am sorry, but I still view anyone who wants to give ANY part of Cyprus away to the Turks / other non-Cypriots as traitors.

[74LB]

phoenix

Unless ALL the Turkish troops leave, ALL of Turkey's influence dissolved, ALL the settlers returned to Turkey, ALL of Cyprus restored to the RoC, we will continue to be in the SAME mess as we are in now.

Any little bit of Turkish influence still remaining will lead to the slow reintroduction, re-Turkification of the island that we are trying to get away from.

It's like trying to get rid of algae . . . unless you get rid of every last cell, as soon as your back is turned, they would have colonised again.

I'm sure you've said something like this before..........which I interpret as you really want all of Cyprus for yourselves

Zero marks for interpretation then.

The RoC is the only Internationally acceptable governing body for the WHOLE of Cyprus. Only the Turks dispute this.

Yes I do re-iterate my opinion, which is that I want to negate Turkish influence in Cyprus.

Do you have a problem with resolving the Cyprus issue by removing the one which has caused it?

Yes, in resolving it your way ..........

Any little bit of Turkish influence still remaining

How do you propose I give up any Turkish influence I (and many like me) have ? Do I wake up one morning and start to speak Greek ?

Because if an outsider / migrant from Country Y wants to live in Country X , they have to integrate with the customs of Country X (otherwise why GO there and not stay in Country Y) rather than force Country X to become Country Y .

Get it?

BTW Speaking the same language is a prerequisite not an option. You speak English in the UK don't you?

Of course I 'get it' your way....

But I'm talking about Turkish Cypriots, not outsiders, not migrants, but people that call Cyprus their home. My parents, grandparents, their parents, they were all born in Cyprus. But somehow you consider us as outsiders.

[phoenix]

phoenix

Unless ALL the Turkish troops leave, ALL of Turkey's influence dissolved, ALL the settlers returned to Turkey, ALL of Cyprus restored to the RoC, we will continue to be in the SAME mess as we are in now.

Any little bit of Turkish influence still remaining will lead to the slow reintroduction, re-Turkification of the island that we are trying to get away from.

It's like trying to get rid of algae . . . unless you get rid of every last cell, as soon as your back is turned, they would have colonised again.

I'm sure you've said something like this before..........which I interpret as you really want all of Cyprus for yourselves

Zero marks for interpretation then.

The RoC is the only Internationally acceptable governing body for the WHOLE of Cyprus. Only the Turks dispute this.

Yes I do re-iterate my opinion, which is that I want to negate Turkish influence in Cyprus.

Do you have a problem with resolving the Cyprus issue by removing the one which has caused it?

Yes, in resolving it your way ..........

Any little bit of Turkish influence still remaining

How do you propose I give up any Turkish influence I (and many like me) have ? Do I wake up one morning and start to speak Greek ?

Because if an outsider / migrant from Country Y wants to live in Country X , they have to integrate with the customs of Country X (otherwise why GO there and not stay in Country Y) rather than force Country X to become Country Y .

Get it?

BTW Speaking the same language is a prerequisite not an option. You speak English in the UK don't you?

Of course I 'get it' your way....

But I'm talking about Turkish Cypriots, not outsiders, not migrants, but people that call Cyprus their home. My parents, grandparents, their parents, they were all born in Cyprus. But somehow you consider us as outsiders.

Well technically you are!

You are the last of the Invaders that have still not integrated.

Perhaps we need to ask why?

My answer would be that you do not want to integrate. You do not respect the culture you invaded and you want to change it.

So we have to defend ourselves from extinction, which is what would happen if we let you change and Turkify us.

[74LB]

But I'm talking about Turkish Cypriots, not outsiders, not migrants, but people that call Cyprus their home. My parents, grandparents, their parents, they were all born in Cyprus. But somehow you consider us as outsiders.

Well technically you are!

You are the last of the Invaders that have still not integrated.

Perhaps we need to ask why?

My answer would be that you do not want to integrate. You do not respect the culture you invaded and you want to change it.

So we have to defend ourselves from extinction, which is what would happen if we let you change and Turkify us.

Wow, what a mindset - are you really concerned about extinction ?

You are slowly but surely telling me that there is no place in Cyprus for Turkish Cypriots.
Well, I honestly don't think we'll be leaving the island in your 'safe' hands.

Anyway, looks like we can never agree and you are doing your best to point me in the direction of partition.

[humanist]

Londonboy....... my observation on this forum and a recent visit to our country what I have noticed very clearly is that Turkish speaking Cyprots themselves are the ones who consider themselves foreigners, the one's who do not are two kinds, they have moved back to their homes mainly in cities because it is safer, secondly they consider Cyprus (the whole Island) as their home and since they lived in the now occupied areas of Cyprus and their villages and homes were in the north part of the Island have no need to move to the free areas and rightly should not.

There is a place for Turkish speaking Cypriots in Cyprus and that means all of it, it means they have the right and have their lands in Paphos, Larnaca, Lemesos, Gyrne and Karpasia.


What they do not have right to is refugee owned land claiming it as theirs at the exclussion of other Cypriots.