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[Kikapu]

As for kicking my ass, you can always try but dont cry when you get a response that kicks your head in, of course all in self defence.

Shit VP, I have forgotten that you do not have any sense of Humour and that you take everything that is written very seriously. I even put quotation marks on "Kicking" so that you would not get all worked up.

I'm not about to go up against a "Rambo" person like yourself with 2 Guns at home.

You are better known for your sarcastic and belittling posts not your sense of humour. Never forget that my 2 guns are in response to the guns stored in GC reservists homes around 100.000 of them. You not being a TC you would not know that if you give a TC the time of day they will share their home with you but slap them they will kick your head in.

You not being a TC

Then again, perhaps you do have a sense of humour.

You are better known for your sarcastic and belittling posts

I seem to have failed to reach you in a sensible way on so many occasions, so why not try the above. It seems to work with your type. Of course, it is not as effective as using the "Cunt" word all the time like yourself and few of your Partitionist friends, but I do have certain guidelines and boundaries to maintain.

if you give a TC the time of day they will share their home with you but slap them they will kick your head in

It seems to me, you are "sharing" the homes of 200,000 GC's. That is very neighbourly of you. I'm sure they are very appreciative of your HOSPITALITY.

but slap them they will kick your head in

You got that right, so be careful, since you are the "Bastardised TC" between the two of us.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

Then again, perhaps you do have a sense of humour.

I do not consider you a TC, end of, for me you are a foreigner.

I seem to have failed to reach you in a sensible way on so many occasions, so why not try the above. It seems to work with your type. Of course, it is not as effective as using the "Cunt" word all the time like yourself and few of your Partitionist friends, but I do have certain guidelines and boundaries to maintain.

You provoke and use the vilest of language and inuendos, once you a recieve full force response you try to use this to your advantage, the above is a prime example, you are so transparent. You are one of most despot and verbal dihorrea producing people I have had the misfortune to interact with even if it on a forum like this one.
You are right about no ever returning to Cyprus be it north or south, you do not belong here and deserve your life amongst foreigners as you to are one.

It seems to me, you are "sharing" the homes of 200,000 GC's. That is very neighbourly of you. I'm sure they are very appreciative of your HOSPITALITY

I dont reside in a property that is disputed, but again you twist what has been stated previously trying to avoid the fact that TCs are hospitable people unless they are wronged in whcih case you should watch out.

You got that right, so be careful, since you are the "Bastardised TC" between the two of us.

Would that be like your children? or are they real bastards being born out of wedlock?

[T_C]

I think VP raises some bloody good points that most of you guys just ignore by jumping to calling him a partitionist. In most of the replies, people just point out the fact that he wants partition when he's admitted it thousands of times and has given good excuses as to why....I used to think VP was way OTT but after seeing the antics of the GC politicians during the past month or so in the run up to the elections, I'm not suprised VP holds the views he does. What does suprise me is that people are still more concerned about VP than the cracks appearing in the RoC....

Are people honestly expecting us to trust these MADMEN with our lives and future!?!?!?!?

[Nikitas]

TC,

Who are the madmen in the RoC?

I am asking because so far the political debate I have followed in the papers and RIK Sat shows candidates who are over conservative to the point of sounding stale. Sometimes I wish someone would say something crazy, but it is all sensible, square and predictable.

Do you have anyone particular in mind?

[Viewpoint]

I think VP raises some bloody good points that most of you guys just ignore by jumping to calling him a partitionist. In most of the replies, people just point out the fact that he wants partition when he's admitted it thousands of times and has given good excuses as to why....I used to think VP was way OTT but after seeing the antics of the GC politicians during the past month or so in the run up to the elections, I'm not suprised VP holds the views he does. What does suprise me is that people are still more concerned about VP than the cracks appearing in the RoC....

Are people honestly expecting us to trust these MADMEN with our lives and future!?!?!?!?

Thanks TC, partionist is not a dirty word, its just another form of solution which has physically worked for over 33 years, Unification did not work and I do not want to put either side into such a situation ever again, where people are in danger and fear for their lives.

We do not trust GCs and they continue to prove us right.

[zan]

The problem lies with you my friend in which you clearly cannot see the difference........The CYPRUS REPUBLIC that you are referring to does not exist any more and has not done so since the resolution of the UN (Who I fully understand had no choice because of the game played by the GCs) in 1964 to recognise the GCs as the sole government of Cyprus....They used every trick in the book to get to that point and you are accepting the fate accompli without a word.......The "RoC" is there for you to accept or reject as a legitimate government of Cyprus and you have chosen to give up your rights and your country to GReek rule without a fight...Your choice of course but being gutless is not is not a virtue mate so please give it up. My rights were stripped from me before I even knew what to do with them.......I intend to get them back.

Zan,

Are you not the one that is always asking the RoC to allow the Zurich agreements to be given to us, the TC's.?? Are you then not talking about the 1960 Constitution, and if so, how is it denied to us, if we don't want them in the first place. When was the last time anyone from the "TRNC" wanted to return to the "Zurich Agreements". So before we can get our rights back, we would need to go and get them, but do not forget, that as soon as we get those rights back, we would then have to start restoring all the Human Rights violations against all those who are effected by the Turkish Occupation and the presence of an illegal "TRNC". As far as the world is concerned, the RoC has legality on it's side over the "TRNC", so between the two of us, just who really is supporting illegalities.???

I personally do not want to go back to the 1960 Constitution or perhaps I should say "Annan Plan, minus 43 years" because it was unworkable back then as the "Annan Plan, plus 43 years" was unworkable in 2003. If we are all serious about peace and being citizens of Cyprus as ONE, then we need the True Federation to be formed with a New Constitution. I know that's not where the hearts of the Partitionists are, then I'm really lost for thoughts, as to why the Partitionist do not propose to take an acceptable share of the island for themselves and be totally Independent as "Andros" more or less suggested as well as "Kifeas". You guys piss and moan all the time, but not doing anything to get what you want that will be acceptable to the rest of those who also live on this island, but always try to get things done through the "back door like bad characters in the dark".

5 bloody drafts of the Anna Plan and thousands of people, which included hundreds of Cypriot lawyers bashing out day by day and minute by minute the changes that both Denktas/Talat and Tpap/Clerides wanted. 256 (or there abouts) pages of the Plan and 9000 pages of federal laws. Every "T" crossed and every "i" dotted and you are still trying to sell me your and Kifeas half cocked idea of a federal system


The Zurich agreement was what Turkey acted on and what they asked the GCs to return to in 1963 but they did not. What Makarios achieved in accordance with the Akritas Plan was the recognition of the Greek administration as the sole government of Cyprus. This was done by first getting the TCs out of the government buildings and then causing the so called "Inter-communal" fighting. We did not plat ball so we were persecuted until 1974 when the second and final attempt at wiping us off the governmental scene and the island was attempted. The coup would have allowed them to claim the island as here own and allow for the massacre of the TC people. Turkey intervened and at the first ceasefire asked for the Zurich agreement to be reinstated. the GCs would not do it and were still in a position to claim that they were the legal government of Cyprus. After talks in which the USA and the UK tried to get the GCs to reinstate the agreement and original constitution, Turkey had no choice but to move again and secure a home that was a little bigger than the 3% we were thrown into. We took the 30% we were entitled to govern over in hat agreement. Denktas then spent many years saying that if the Zurich agreement was not to their liking then we should put together another one and hat was not successful either because it did not allow he GCs and the Orthodox church to get heir ENOSIS dream. When we had enough of heir rubbish then we declared our republic.


he Zurich agreement was unworkable only for he GCs and Makarios and you believing the propaganda that they spread about it just goes to show how brain washed you really are......It didn't work because hey didn't allow it to. It got in the way of ENOSIS and Hellenic dreams.

5 bloody drafts of the Anna Plan and thousands of people, which included hundreds of Cypriot lawyers bashing out day by day and minute by minute the changes that both Denktas/Talat and Tpap/Clerides wanted. 256 (or there abouts) pages of the Plan and 9000 pages of federal laws. Every "T" crossed and every "i" dotted and you are still trying to sell me your and Kifeas half cocked idea of a federal system

Zan,

I'm not asking anyone to accept mine and Kifeas's "half baked" True Federation, True Democracy and True Human Rights Protection Plan, but lets accept any True Federation, True Democracy and True Human Rights Protection Plan. The Annan Plan Plan did not have any of those to the satisfaction of those who were asked to vote for them. So much for all those drafts, lawyers and 9,000 pages of wasted print. The question that I'm asking is, why are we not asking or even wanting a True Federation since the GC's have shown interest in this Plan to move forward with the peace process. So what is our excuse Zan, for refusing to go with a True Federation for Cyprus.??

You still don't get it do you. Human rights does not mean your simple analogy of one man one vote and everything else does not matter...You look at every situation and then decide what it takes to make those rights equal. And I am sorry but to have you tell me that the best brains in the business are used to put together a plan with the inclusion of both parties involved and that takes a hell of a long time to complete and because of the rights of these individuals, the largest constitutional plan in history is drawn up, and a complete novice like you comes here and tells us that it was a waste of paper....hahahahahahahahahhaaaa You are a funny guy....Perhaps NASA and the UN and the EU and all the other organisations in the world should just turn to you for advise in the future an save themselves a lot of time.....hahahahahahahahah

We took the 30% we were entitled to govern over in hat agreement.

I was not aware, that 70%-30% share of the government jobs also included of claiming land in any Partition attempt in the future from the 1960 agreements. Perhaps someone can correct me on this one. In any case, the 30% of unilateral land claim and cleansing of thousands from their homes is not a way to go about it nor the GC will accept it, nor does the International Community, hence the fact there's no "TRNC" recognition now, nor will be any recognition coming our way anytime in the future.


[Yet you still accept the ethnic cleaning done to us and ask us to do the same. The fact that the TRNC is not recognised and the "RoC" is, is because of the Akritas Plan and the tricks he GCs played to get to that point....You can take it if you like but the rest of us will stick to the real world and fight against mis-justices and persecution. You can play possum and hope that you get what you want but we will fight on thank you. when you are shafted you should either ask for payment or yell rape.....You want neither and even admit to enjoying it........NICE!!!

As for the 30%....I said we have control over it....If the GCs want to come and live there and be controlled by us then they are welcome and as the "RoC" does ...Their land will be subject to a solution......

he Zurich agreement was unworkable only for he GCs and Makarios and you believing the propaganda that they spread about it just goes to show how brain washed you really are......It didn't work because hey didn't allow it to. It got in the way of ENOSIS and Hellenic dreams. :roll

If the system of government that was set up for the Cypriots back in 1960 by the 3 Guarantor Powers and others was so GREAT, why is it that they never used the very system for themselves. Why didn't they give us the same system of Government that they were using. Why is it that they don't have a system of government, that any community can have a veto power over any decision is taken by the Parliament. So yes Zan, the system that was given to us, was never intended to work, and it never did. I'm surprised it lasted 3 whole years. I guess that's what we call a "honeymoon period". Once the "honeymoon period" was over, so was the 1960 Constitution. Had the 2004 Annan Plan was accepted, I doubt very much that, that "honeymoon period" would have lasted that long either.


This is utter rubbish Kiks because you cannot compare what happened in Cyprus and its unique history and then ask why it was never practices elsewhere. It is the same as asking why there are no kangaroos in Iceland....ERRRRRRRRRR!!! Because........... .
The rest of your rantings are just out of the Greek propaganda pages mate...The plan was not given to us but we signed it and should have made it work. Long before any signings were made the Akritas plan was already in place and the Orthodox Church was instigating ENOSIS and the destruction of the treaty. That is the reason why it did not work and nothing else.Stop chewing on those propaganda pages mate...You will make yourself ill....

[boomerang]

Zan, doesn't matter how you slice it the whole of the EU is to become a federal system...Why then you want something else for your self?

The only choice you have to realise your dream is to become annexed to turkey and get the hell away from the EU...

Is this what you want?

[zan]

Zan, doesn't matter how you slice it the whole of the EU is to become a federal system...Why then you want something else for your self?

The only choice you have to realise your dream is to become annexed to turkey and get the hell away from the EU...

Is this what you want?

That is not the only choice Boomers and if push comes to shove then yes...That is what I want. At the moment though we have other options. They wil not happen tomorrow but we ae heading in the right direction...Perhaps a miracle will happen and the "RoC" wil stop its persecution of us and we can even live happily together on our island. I will continue the intake of oxygen though.....

[boomerang]

Zan, the EU is heading towards federation...blind freddy can see this...You have no other options...either you accept federation or get out of it...

Recognition ain't gonna come...The day turkey, if, joins the EU is the day illegalities...you waiting for the whatever, it ain't gonna happen...No other country or the EU is ready to accept a state build on ethnic cleansing as the norm...

[zan]

Zan, the EU is heading towards federation...blind freddy can see this...You have no other options...either you accept federation or get out of it...

Recognition ain't gonna come...The day turkey, if, joins the EU is the day illegalities...you waiting for the whatever, it ain't gonna happen...No other country or the EU is ready to accept a state build on ethnic cleansing as the norm...

Did you not understand what I said Boomers....OTHER OPTIONS means just that and if federation is achieved in a fair way that the TCs of he TRNC accept then who am I to stand in their way. We can have a federation with double cream and chocolate chips on the top if you like but let it be fair and not your one sided affair