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[Kikapu]

Kikapu

I have decided not to show you up by ridiculing you once again with your inaccurate statements about who did not want to meet who or as to why I did not cross over to the "TRNC" on my last visit to Cyprus. Those who REALLY wants to know, can get most of the info on here

Feel free as I have nothing to hide, you are the coward and everyone has read your excuses for not crossing to the TRNC, which are pathetic, you either have something to fear of the TRNC (which cannot be military service as people travel in and out of the TRNC without encountering problems) or you are a GC posing as a TC to serve your own perversion of hatred towards TCs & Turks.

There's nothing wrong being a "Charlie". It first came from you to try and label me in a "Negative" way, so I had no choice but to throw it back at you, that's all. Too bad you did not accept being a B.B.C (British Born Cypriot) however. Your parents are Cypriot VP, so stands the reason, that you too are also a Cypriot.

The negativity is the difference which is you are a Charlie who lives abroad now and for the past 43 years with no contact with TCs in their own environment. My parents are both Turkish Cypriots and although I was born and raised in the UK of which I am proud I am more Turkish Cypriot than English. So I know what I am I dont need your permission or confirmation.

I'm not trying to be rude or offensive, and if I come across that way, let me appologise up front.

You are naturally rude, offensive and very scarcastic to a level of nuseau, this makes you someone I would never associate with in real life, so you do not need to apologies for being you.

My prospective about Cyprus and it's past history does not change me to become something I cannot be, which is a "Nationality of TRNC", because it is not part of the Cyprus I know, feel, and accept.

You are exactly that the past whereas I am the future of the TRNC so as long as GCs continue with their current policies and people like you support them I will fight for what I and people like me believe is right. Ask yourself what have you left this island? or the world? your Cypriotism is at the end of the line when you die, thats it no more, the stark reality.

You on the other hand, having had no connection to Cyprus or it's history for the most part, landed yourself on a part of Cyprus that goes by the name "TRNC", that has NO HISTORY of it's own, at all. You have arrived to a place that you cannot link anything that goes back into your families history or roots. So basically, you might as well have landed on Mars, or perhaps a little bit closer on Earth, like all the other countries that is not your home, i.e, the UK. Like it or not, you are a foreigner in the "TRNC".

I will not get into a pissing race with you as this proves nothing, my connection with this island is my parentage and the last 15 years of living here and rasing a family, the labels you are trying to use do not mean shit, you are the outsider, the Charlie who lives abroad and has never interacted with his claimed people in over 43 years, we will let others decide the strength or validitity of your arguments based on your experiences upto the age of 9 and nothing ever since.

My history can be traced a long way back as my fathers side is one of the oldest in Nicosia and I do not have an identity crisis, this is something I will leave to you as you consider yourself Tcs whos views are more Gc than the GCs themselves, that tells people a great deal.

You become a Cypriot each time you cross into the "RoC, and if and when the "TRNC" ceases to exists one day, then you will be a Cypriot once again where your house is located right now in the North. Unlike our good friends like T_C and Shah who were born in the "TRNC" have no choice but to call it their home and their "country", no thanks to the elders for putting them in that situation. So when those two and others in the same situation do not accept the RoC as being the "only" Cyprus, it is logical. So the point I'm making is VP, you can live in the "TRNC" for the next 100 years, and you still wont be able to discount my first 9 years of my life in the "real" Cyprus. So when you make comments about that you live amongst our people and I don't, does not give you any special privilages at all over me. Once again, you are only a foreigner in the "TRNC", where as, I'm a citizen of Cyprus.

Total crap, you continue to make things up as you go along, the "RoC" is the foreign country to me, full of Gcs denying me the right to live just like anyone else in the EU unless I submit to living in a GC state run by GCs. What you still do not seem to realize is that or you do but refuse to accept is that we will never put ourselves in that situation we would rather be absorbed by Turkey (which are our roots and which GCs kindly remind us of) than be a minority in a GC state.

Its really ironic that someone living abroad for over 43 years is trying to tell someone who lives on the island for over 15 years that he knows whats best for TCs, you are not only a despot individual but very very dangerous.

I hope you can see the difference.

Ho I see the difference and the dangers you pose to the TCs people.

I'm not going to go line by line to answer you my man, because it serves no purpose in arguing with you. As I said earlier, it is getting very monotonous catching you in a lie and me ridiculing you for it. Be thankful that the
Bayram, Christmas and the New Year's festivities are upon us, so that due to my festive mood, you too can enjoy your holidays for now.

Next year is another story.

You call it "cowardly" and I call it "being smart" for not coming to the "TRNC". I had many good reasons for not coming as you well aware of them....personally. Once again, sorry to have spoilt your little "party" for me, courtesy of the Partitionist. But just to humour you with your little nonsensical accusation of me not being a TC, let me throw this in, which is, if I were a GC, then it would have been no problem for me crossing over to the "TRNC" as many do to visit their homes that they have been kicked out of, do some Gambling, and to finish the day before going back to the RoC, visit ONE or TWO Whorehouses, courtesy of the "TRNC". By the way, it is only you and one or two of your Partitionist Gang members say that, only because you cannot win any arguments with me, just because I stand for what is RIGHT over being in the same ethnicity group with you. You want to be like the "Hitler types" where no matter what he or other dictators do/did, that there must be no questions asked of their actions. I can see that you and your fellow Partitionist are all "good soldiers" and follow orders well and do not question anything that may be WRONG. Please allow the rest of us to disobey "criminal intentions" by our so called "leaders".

I have many qualities in me, and thank "God" that I have been also gifted in having a good sense of Humour to enjoy life with good people around me. I have also been "gifted" to be Sarcastic to people like you, because being Sarcastic is a good substitute for not "kicking" your ass, just because the first one is legal and the latter is not.

Everything else I wrote about you being a foreigner in the "TRNC", still stands.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

I'm not going to go line by line to answer you my man, because it serves no purpose in arguing with you. As I said earlier, it is getting very monotonous catching you in a lie and me ridiculing you for it. Be thankful that the
Bayram, Christmas and the New Year's festivities are upon us, so that due to my festive mood, you too can enjoy your holidays for now.

Next year is another story.

Excuses excuses, yet again you show your cowardly face, I have challenged you just like before yet you use a load of verbal dihhorea to say you havent got anything of substance except a barrage of meaningless words. Feel free to expose the lies you have obviously just made up in your own head.
People can see right through you and what you are trying to do.

You call it "cowardly" and I call it "being smart" for not coming to the "TRNC". I had many good reasons for not coming as you well aware of them....personally. Once again, sorry to have spoilt your little "party" for me, courtesy of the Partitionist. But just to humour you with your little nonsensical accusation of me not being a TC, let me throw this in, which is, if I were a GC, then it would have been no problem for me crossing over to the "TRNC" as many do to visit their homes that they have been kicked out of, do some Gambling, and to finish the day before going back to the RoC, visit ONE or TWO Whorehouses, courtesy of the "TRNC". By the way, it is only you and one or two of your Partitionist Gang members say that, only because you cannot win any arguments with me, just because I stand for what is RIGHT over being in the same ethnicity group with you. You want to be like the "Hitler types" where no matter what he or other dictators do/did, that there must be no questions asked of their actions. I can see that you and your fellow Partitionist are all "good soldiers" and follow orders well and do not question anything that may be WRONG. Please allow the rest of us to disobey "criminal intentions" by our so called "leaders".

You over estimate your importance no one was going to harm a hair on your head but your cowardly instict made you believe what you wanted, like you do with everything else, you have this twisted habit of making things up as you go along, please continue as it gives me great pleasure to read how you squirm and try to use your good command of the English language to camouflouge the misinformed rubbish you post.

I have many qualities in me, and thank "God" that I have been also gifted in having a good sense of Humour to enjoy life with good people around me. I have also been "gifted" to be Sarcastic to people like you, because being Sarcastic is a good substitute for not "kicking" your ass, just because the first one is legal and the latter is not.

Everything else I wrote about you being a foreigner in the "TRNC", still stands.

Unlike you I do not have any problems with my identity and origins, I have a great life in the TRNC and as long as people like you exsist we partionsit will be safe as you are our biggest asset in making sure we stay divided. As for scarcasm which you spout out in abudence, I agree you are a king in this field but never forget that scacasm is the lowest form of intellegence or wit.

As for kicking my ass, you can always try but dont cry when you get a response that kicks your head in, of course all in self defence.

[halil]

Kikapu

I'm not going to go line by line to answer you my man, because it serves no purpose in arguing with you. As I said earlier, it is getting very monotonous catching you in a lie and me ridiculing you for it. Be thankful that the
Bayram, Christmas and the New Year's festivities are upon us, so that due to my festive mood, you too can enjoy your holidays for now.

Next year is another story.

Excuses excuses, yet again you show your cowardly face, I have challenged you just like before yet you use a load of verbal dihhorea to say you havent got anything of substance except a barrage of meaningless words. Feel free to expose the lies you have obviously just made up in your own head.
People can see right through you and what you are trying to do.

You call it "cowardly" and I call it "being smart" for not coming to the "TRNC". I had many good reasons for not coming as you well aware of them....personally. Once again, sorry to have spoilt your little "party" for me, courtesy of the Partitionist. But just to humour you with your little nonsensical accusation of me not being a TC, let me throw this in, which is, if I were a GC, then it would have been no problem for me crossing over to the "TRNC" as many do to visit their homes that they have been kicked out of, do some Gambling, and to finish the day before going back to the RoC, visit ONE or TWO Whorehouses, courtesy of the "TRNC". By the way, it is only you and one or two of your Partitionist Gang members say that, only because you cannot win any arguments with me, just because I stand for what is RIGHT over being in the same ethnicity group with you. You want to be like the "Hitler types" where no matter what he or other dictators do/did, that there must be no questions asked of their actions. I can see that you and your fellow Partitionist are all "good soldiers" and follow orders well and do not question anything that may be WRONG. Please allow the rest of us to disobey "criminal intentions" by our so called "leaders".

You over estimate your importance no one was going to harm a hair on your head but your cowardly instict made you believe what you wanted, like you do with everything else, you have this twisted habit of making things up as you go along, please continue as it gives me great pleasure to read how you squirm and try to use your good command of the English language to camouflouge the misinformed rubbish you post.

I have many qualities in me, and thank "God" that I have been also gifted in having a good sense of Humour to enjoy life with good people around me. I have also been "gifted" to be Sarcastic to people like you, because being Sarcastic is a good substitute for not "kicking" your ass, just because the first one is legal and the latter is not.

Everything else I wrote about you being a foreigner in the "TRNC", still stands.

Unlike you I do not have any problems with my identity and origins, I have a great life in the TRNC and as long as people like you exsist we partionsit will be safe as you are our biggest asset in making sure we stay divided. As for scarcasm which you spout out in abudence, I agree you are a king in this field but never forget that scacasm is the lowest form of intellegence or wit.

As for kicking my ass, you can always try but dont cry when you get a response that kicks your head in, of course all in self defence.

Viewpoint Kardeşim,
pls don't bother him anymore . Let him to talk himself.
Bayramın Kutlu olsun.

[denizaksulu]

Kikapu

I'm not going to go line by line to answer you my man, because it serves no purpose in arguing with you. As I said earlier, it is getting very monotonous catching you in a lie and me ridiculing you for it. Be thankful that the
Bayram, Christmas and the New Year's festivities are upon us, so that due to my festive mood, you too can enjoy your holidays for now.

Next year is another story.

Excuses excuses, yet again you show your cowardly face, I have challenged you just like before yet you use a load of verbal dihhorea to say you havent got anything of substance except a barrage of meaningless words. Feel free to expose the lies you have obviously just made up in your own head.
People can see right through you and what you are trying to do.

You call it "cowardly" and I call it "being smart" for not coming to the "TRNC". I had many good reasons for not coming as you well aware of them....personally. Once again, sorry to have spoilt your little "party" for me, courtesy of the Partitionist. But just to humour you with your little nonsensical accusation of me not being a TC, let me throw this in, which is, if I were a GC, then it would have been no problem for me crossing over to the "TRNC" as many do to visit their homes that they have been kicked out of, do some Gambling, and to finish the day before going back to the RoC, visit ONE or TWO Whorehouses, courtesy of the "TRNC". By the way, it is only you and one or two of your Partitionist Gang members say that, only because you cannot win any arguments with me, just because I stand for what is RIGHT over being in the same ethnicity group with you. You want to be like the "Hitler types" where no matter what he or other dictators do/did, that there must be no questions asked of their actions. I can see that you and your fellow Partitionist are all "good soldiers" and follow orders well and do not question anything that may be WRONG. Please allow the rest of us to disobey "criminal intentions" by our so called "leaders".

You over estimate your importance no one was going to harm a hair on your head but your cowardly instict made you believe what you wanted, like you do with everything else, you have this twisted habit of making things up as you go along, please continue as it gives me great pleasure to read how you squirm and try to use your good command of the English language to camouflouge the misinformed rubbish you post.

I have many qualities in me, and thank "God" that I have been also gifted in having a good sense of Humour to enjoy life with good people around me. I have also been "gifted" to be Sarcastic to people like you, because being Sarcastic is a good substitute for not "kicking" your ass, just because the first one is legal and the latter is not.

Everything else I wrote about you being a foreigner in the "TRNC", still stands.

Unlike you I do not have any problems with my identity and origins, I have a great life in the TRNC and as long as people like you exsist we partionsit will be safe as you are our biggest asset in making sure we stay divided. As for scarcasm which you spout out in abudence, I agree you are a king in this field but never forget that scacasm is the lowest form of intellegence or wit.

As for kicking my ass, you can always try but dont cry when you get a response that kicks your head in, of course all in self defence.

Viewpoint Kardeşim,
pls don't bother him anymore . Let him to talk himself.
Bayramın Kutlu olsun.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

I'm not going to go line by line to answer you my man, because it serves no purpose in arguing with you. As I said earlier, it is getting very monotonous catching you in a lie and me ridiculing you for it. Be thankful that the
Bayram, Christmas and the New Year's festivities are upon us, so that due to my festive mood, you too can enjoy your holidays for now.

Next year is another story.

Excuses excuses, yet again you show your cowardly face, I have challenged you just like before yet you use a load of verbal dihhorea to say you havent got anything of substance except a barrage of meaningless words. Feel free to expose the lies you have obviously just made up in your own head.
People can see right through you and what you are trying to do.

You call it "cowardly" and I call it "being smart" for not coming to the "TRNC". I had many good reasons for not coming as you well aware of them....personally. Once again, sorry to have spoilt your little "party" for me, courtesy of the Partitionist. But just to humour you with your little nonsensical accusation of me not being a TC, let me throw this in, which is, if I were a GC, then it would have been no problem for me crossing over to the "TRNC" as many do to visit their homes that they have been kicked out of, do some Gambling, and to finish the day before going back to the RoC, visit ONE or TWO Whorehouses, courtesy of the "TRNC". By the way, it is only you and one or two of your Partitionist Gang members say that, only because you cannot win any arguments with me, just because I stand for what is RIGHT over being in the same ethnicity group with you. You want to be like the "Hitler types" where no matter what he or other dictators do/did, that there must be no questions asked of their actions. I can see that you and your fellow Partitionist are all "good soldiers" and follow orders well and do not question anything that may be WRONG. Please allow the rest of us to disobey "criminal intentions" by our so called "leaders".

You over estimate your importance no one was going to harm a hair on your head but your cowardly instict made you believe what you wanted, like you do with everything else, you have this twisted habit of making things up as you go along, please continue as it gives me great pleasure to read how you squirm and try to use your good command of the English language to camouflouge the misinformed rubbish you post.

I have many qualities in me, and thank "God" that I have been also gifted in having a good sense of Humour to enjoy life with good people around me. I have also been "gifted" to be Sarcastic to people like you, because being Sarcastic is a good substitute for not "kicking" your ass, just because the first one is legal and the latter is not.

Everything else I wrote about you being a foreigner in the "TRNC", still stands.

Unlike you I do not have any problems with my identity and origins, I have a great life in the TRNC and as long as people like you exsist we partionsit will be safe as you are our biggest asset in making sure we stay divided. As for scarcasm which you spout out in abudence, I agree you are a king in this field but never forget that scacasm is the lowest form of intellegence or wit.

As for kicking my ass, you can always try but dont cry when you get a response that kicks your head in, of course all in self defence.

Viewpoint Kardeşim,
pls don't bother him anymore . Let him to talk himself.
Bayramın Kutlu olsun.

OK Halil. Meydanı onlara bıraklımı?

Bayramın Kutlu Olsun Kardeşım.

[halil]

Kikapu

I'm not going to go line by line to answer you my man, because it serves no purpose in arguing with you. As I said earlier, it is getting very monotonous catching you in a lie and me ridiculing you for it. Be thankful that the
Bayram, Christmas and the New Year's festivities are upon us, so that due to my festive mood, you too can enjoy your holidays for now.

Next year is another story.

Excuses excuses, yet again you show your cowardly face, I have challenged you just like before yet you use a load of verbal dihhorea to say you havent got anything of substance except a barrage of meaningless words. Feel free to expose the lies you have obviously just made up in your own head.
People can see right through you and what you are trying to do.

You call it "cowardly" and I call it "being smart" for not coming to the "TRNC". I had many good reasons for not coming as you well aware of them....personally. Once again, sorry to have spoilt your little "party" for me, courtesy of the Partitionist. But just to humour you with your little nonsensical accusation of me not being a TC, let me throw this in, which is, if I were a GC, then it would have been no problem for me crossing over to the "TRNC" as many do to visit their homes that they have been kicked out of, do some Gambling, and to finish the day before going back to the RoC, visit ONE or TWO Whorehouses, courtesy of the "TRNC". By the way, it is only you and one or two of your Partitionist Gang members say that, only because you cannot win any arguments with me, just because I stand for what is RIGHT over being in the same ethnicity group with you. You want to be like the "Hitler types" where no matter what he or other dictators do/did, that there must be no questions asked of their actions. I can see that you and your fellow Partitionist are all "good soldiers" and follow orders well and do not question anything that may be WRONG. Please allow the rest of us to disobey "criminal intentions" by our so called "leaders".

You over estimate your importance no one was going to harm a hair on your head but your cowardly instict made you believe what you wanted, like you do with everything else, you have this twisted habit of making things up as you go along, please continue as it gives me great pleasure to read how you squirm and try to use your good command of the English language to camouflouge the misinformed rubbish you post.

I have many qualities in me, and thank "God" that I have been also gifted in having a good sense of Humour to enjoy life with good people around me. I have also been "gifted" to be Sarcastic to people like you, because being Sarcastic is a good substitute for not "kicking" your ass, just because the first one is legal and the latter is not.

Everything else I wrote about you being a foreigner in the "TRNC", still stands.

Unlike you I do not have any problems with my identity and origins, I have a great life in the TRNC and as long as people like you exsist we partionsit will be safe as you are our biggest asset in making sure we stay divided. As for scarcasm which you spout out in abudence, I agree you are a king in this field but never forget that scacasm is the lowest form of intellegence or wit.

As for kicking my ass, you can always try but dont cry when you get a response that kicks your head in, of course all in self defence.

Viewpoint Kardeşim,
pls don't bother him anymore . Let him to talk himself.
Bayramın Kutlu olsun.

OK Halil. Meydanı onlara bıraklımı?

Bayramın Kutlu Olsun Kardeşım.

I didn't say like that . OKUNDURDUM YAZINDIRDIM GENE BALA GUDALİ GENE BALAKUDALİ . You know what i mean .Gene gaşık gene gaşık.
We should do our struggles at international platforums not with him . We are doing very well now . We must talk away from SARAYÖNÜ........

[zan]

The problem lies with you my friend in which you clearly cannot see the difference........The CYPRUS REPUBLIC that you are referring to does not exist any more and has not done so since the resolution of the UN (Who I fully understand had no choice because of the game played by the GCs) in 1964 to recognise the GCs as the sole government of Cyprus....They used every trick in the book to get to that point and you are accepting the fate accompli without a word.......The "RoC" is there for you to accept or reject as a legitimate government of Cyprus and you have chosen to give up your rights and your country to GReek rule without a fight...Your choice of course but being gutless is not is not a virtue mate so please give it up. My rights were stripped from me before I even knew what to do with them.......I intend to get them back.

Zan,

Are you not the one that is always asking the RoC to allow the Zurich agreements to be given to us, the TC's.?? Are you then not talking about the 1960 Constitution, and if so, how is it denied to us, if we don't want them in the first place. When was the last time anyone from the "TRNC" wanted to return to the "Zurich Agreements". So before we can get our rights back, we would need to go and get them, but do not forget, that as soon as we get those rights back, we would then have to start restoring all the Human Rights violations against all those who are effected by the Turkish Occupation and the presence of an illegal "TRNC". As far as the world is concerned, the RoC has legality on it's side over the "TRNC", so between the two of us, just who really is supporting illegalities.???

I personally do not want to go back to the 1960 Constitution or perhaps I should say "Annan Plan, minus 43 years" because it was unworkable back then as the "Annan Plan, plus 43 years" was unworkable in 2003. If we are all serious about peace and being citizens of Cyprus as ONE, then we need the True Federation to be formed with a New Constitution. I know that's not where the hearts of the Partitionists are, then I'm really lost for thoughts, as to why the Partitionist do not propose to take an acceptable share of the island for themselves and be totally Independent as "Andros" more or less suggested as well as "Kifeas". You guys piss and moan all the time, but not doing anything to get what you want that will be acceptable to the rest of those who also live on this island, but always try to get things done through the "back door like bad characters in the dark".

5 bloody drafts of the Anna Plan and thousands of people, which included hundreds of Cypriot lawyers bashing out day by day and minute by minute the changes that both Denktas/Talat and Tpap/Clerides wanted. 256 (or there abouts) pages of the Plan and 9000 pages of federal laws. Every "T" crossed and every "i" dotted and you are still trying to sell me your and Kifeas half cocked idea of a federal system


The Zurich agreement was what Turkey acted on and what they asked the GCs to return to in 1963 but they did not. What Makarios achieved in accordance with the Akritas Plan was the recognition of the Greek administration as the sole government of Cyprus. This was done by first getting the TCs out of the government buildings and then causing the so called "Inter-communal" fighting. We did not plat ball so we were persecuted until 1974 when the second and final attempt at wiping us off the governmental scene and the island was attempted. The coup would have allowed them to claim the island as here own and allow for the massacre of the TC people. Turkey intervened and at the first ceasefire asked for the Zurich agreement to be reinstated. the GCs would not do it and were still in a position to claim that they were the legal government of Cyprus. After talks in which the USA and the UK tried to get the GCs to reinstate the agreement and original constitution, Turkey had no choice but to move again and secure a home that was a little bigger than the 3% we were thrown into. We took the 30% we were entitled to govern over in hat agreement. Denktas then spent many years saying that if the Zurich agreement was not to their liking then we should put together another one and hat was not successful either because it did not allow he GCs and the Orthodox church to get heir ENOSIS dream. When we had enough of heir rubbish then we declared our republic.


he Zurich agreement was unworkable only for he GCs and Makarios and you believing the propaganda that they spread about it just goes to show how brain washed you really are......It didn't work because hey didn't allow it to. It got in the way of ENOSIS and Hellenic dreams.

[Kikapu]

The problem lies with you my friend in which you clearly cannot see the difference........The CYPRUS REPUBLIC that you are referring to does not exist any more and has not done so since the resolution of the UN (Who I fully understand had no choice because of the game played by the GCs) in 1964 to recognise the GCs as the sole government of Cyprus....They used every trick in the book to get to that point and you are accepting the fate accompli without a word.......The "RoC" is there for you to accept or reject as a legitimate government of Cyprus and you have chosen to give up your rights and your country to GReek rule without a fight...Your choice of course but being gutless is not is not a virtue mate so please give it up. My rights were stripped from me before I even knew what to do with them.......I intend to get them back.

Zan,

Are you not the one that is always asking the RoC to allow the Zurich agreements to be given to us, the TC's.?? Are you then not talking about the 1960 Constitution, and if so, how is it denied to us, if we don't want them in the first place. When was the last time anyone from the "TRNC" wanted to return to the "Zurich Agreements". So before we can get our rights back, we would need to go and get them, but do not forget, that as soon as we get those rights back, we would then have to start restoring all the Human Rights violations against all those who are effected by the Turkish Occupation and the presence of an illegal "TRNC". As far as the world is concerned, the RoC has legality on it's side over the "TRNC", so between the two of us, just who really is supporting illegalities.???

I personally do not want to go back to the 1960 Constitution or perhaps I should say "Annan Plan, minus 43 years" because it was unworkable back then as the "Annan Plan, plus 43 years" was unworkable in 2003. If we are all serious about peace and being citizens of Cyprus as ONE, then we need the True Federation to be formed with a New Constitution. I know that's not where the hearts of the Partitionists are, then I'm really lost for thoughts, as to why the Partitionist do not propose to take an acceptable share of the island for themselves and be totally Independent as "Andros" more or less suggested as well as "Kifeas". You guys piss and moan all the time, but not doing anything to get what you want that will be acceptable to the rest of those who also live on this island, but always try to get things done through the "back door like bad characters in the dark".

5 bloody drafts of the Anna Plan and thousands of people, which included hundreds of Cypriot lawyers bashing out day by day and minute by minute the changes that both Denktas/Talat and Tpap/Clerides wanted. 256 (or there abouts) pages of the Plan and 9000 pages of federal laws. Every "T" crossed and every "i" dotted and you are still trying to sell me your and Kifeas half cocked idea of a federal system


The Zurich agreement was what Turkey acted on and what they asked the GCs to return to in 1963 but they did not. What Makarios achieved in accordance with the Akritas Plan was the recognition of the Greek administration as the sole government of Cyprus. This was done by first getting the TCs out of the government buildings and then causing the so called "Inter-communal" fighting. We did not plat ball so we were persecuted until 1974 when the second and final attempt at wiping us off the governmental scene and the island was attempted. The coup would have allowed them to claim the island as here own and allow for the massacre of the TC people. Turkey intervened and at the first ceasefire asked for the Zurich agreement to be reinstated. the GCs would not do it and were still in a position to claim that they were the legal government of Cyprus. After talks in which the USA and the UK tried to get the GCs to reinstate the agreement and original constitution, Turkey had no choice but to move again and secure a home that was a little bigger than the 3% we were thrown into. We took the 30% we were entitled to govern over in hat agreement. Denktas then spent many years saying that if the Zurich agreement was not to their liking then we should put together another one and hat was not successful either because it did not allow he GCs and the Orthodox church to get heir ENOSIS dream. When we had enough of heir rubbish then we declared our republic.


he Zurich agreement was unworkable only for he GCs and Makarios and you believing the propaganda that they spread about it just goes to show how brain washed you really are......It didn't work because hey didn't allow it to. It got in the way of ENOSIS and Hellenic dreams.

5 bloody drafts of the Anna Plan and thousands of people, which included hundreds of Cypriot lawyers bashing out day by day and minute by minute the changes that both Denktas/Talat and Tpap/Clerides wanted. 256 (or there abouts) pages of the Plan and 9000 pages of federal laws. Every "T" crossed and every "i" dotted and you are still trying to sell me your and Kifeas half cocked idea of a federal system

Zan,

I'm not asking anyone to accept mine and Kifeas's "half baked" True Federation, True Democracy and True Human Rights Protection Plan, but lets accept any True Federation, True Democracy and True Human Rights Protection Plan. The Annan Plan Plan did not have any of those to the satisfaction of those who were asked to vote for them. So much for all those drafts, lawyers and 9,000 pages of wasted print. The question that I'm asking is, why are we not asking or even wanting a True Federation since the GC's have shown interest in this Plan to move forward with the peace process. So what is our excuse Zan, for refusing to go with a True Federation for Cyprus.??

We took the 30% we were entitled to govern over in hat agreement.

I was not aware, that 70%-30% share of the government jobs also included of claiming land in any Partition attempt in the future from the 1960 agreements. Perhaps someone can correct me on this one. In any case, the 30% of unilateral land claim and cleansing of thousands from their homes is not a way to go about it nor the GC will accept it, nor does the International Community, hence the fact there's no "TRNC" recognition now, nor will be any recognition coming our way anytime in the future.

he Zurich agreement was unworkable only for he GCs and Makarios and you believing the propaganda that they spread about it just goes to show how brain washed you really are......It didn't work because hey didn't allow it to. It got in the way of ENOSIS and Hellenic dreams. :roll

If the system of government that was set up for the Cypriots back in 1960 by the 3 Guarantor Powers and others was so GREAT, why is it that they never used the very system for themselves. Why didn't they give us the same system of Government that they were using. Why is it that they don't have a system of government, that any community can have a veto power over any decision is taken by the Parliament. So yes Zan, the system that was given to us, was never intended to work, and it never did. I'm surprised it lasted 3 whole years. I guess that's what we call a "honeymoon period". Once the "honeymoon period" was over, so was the 1960 Constitution. Had the 2004 Annan Plan was accepted, I doubt very much that, that "honeymoon period" would have lasted that long either.

[Kikapu]

As for kicking my ass, you can always try but dont cry when you get a response that kicks your head in, of course all in self defence.

Shit VP, I have forgotten that you do not have any sense of Humour and that you take everything that is written very seriously. I even put quotation marks on "Kicking" so that you would not get all worked up.

I'm not about to go up against a "Rambo" person like yourself with 2 Guns at home.

[Viewpoint]

As for kicking my ass, you can always try but dont cry when you get a response that kicks your head in, of course all in self defence.

Shit VP, I have forgotten that you do not have any sense of Humour and that you take everything that is written very seriously. I even put quotation marks on "Kicking" so that you would not get all worked up.

I'm not about to go up against a "Rambo" person like yourself with 2 Guns at home.

You are better known for your sarcastic and belittling posts not your sense of humour. Never forget that my 2 guns are in response to the guns stored in GC reservists homes around 100.000 of them. You not being a TC you would not know that if you give a TC the time of day they will share their home with you but slap them they will kick your head in.