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[Nikitas]

VP posted:

"We pay VAT on all goods bought and sold in the TRNC. You do not reocgnize our VAT system thats why it caused you problems."

And you remit part of the VAT receipts to the EU as other countries do?

[Kikapu]

You were the one who was to scared to cross into the north not the other way around and if you remember I challenged you all to meet if you donated money to charity after which you all backed out like the cowards you are.

Once again VP, you are not telling the truth or only saying half-truth, or in your case, half-lies. I'll respond to this post fully later, when I have more time.

I just returned spending a week in your country of Birth by the way. No no, it was not the "TRNC" but the UK.

So why are you ashamed telling us that you are a "Charlie and a B.B.C" VP. You have raised that question about me and I have answered you, but you are refusing to answer the same question when addressed to you.

[Viewpoint]

You were the one who was to scared to cross into the north not the other way around and if you remember I challenged you all to meet if you donated money to charity after which you all backed out like the cowards you are.

Once again VP, you are not telling the truth or only saying half-truth, or in your case, half-lies. I'll respond to this post fully later, when I have more time.

I just returned spending a week in your country of Birth by the way. No no, it was not the "TRNC" but the UK.

So why are you ashamed telling us that you are a "Charlie and a B.B.C" VP. You have raised that question about me and I have answered you, but you are refusing to answer the same question when addressed to you.

I am a proud Charlie and I have no problem with that, in fact I am proud to have been born and raised in the UK, it gives me a totally different perspective to the Cyprus issue from those that actually lived though the events of our dark past.

I have lived in the TRNC for over 15 years which I love and have nothing but admiration for my people the TCs who have gone through so much, yet are still a proud people who will succumb t GC domination and manipulation, I identify with them 100%.

How long did you live with the TCs and when did you last interact with them in their own environment?

[Viewpoint]

VP posted:

"We pay VAT on all goods bought and sold in the TRNC. You do not reocgnize our VAT system thats why it caused you problems."

And you remit part of the VAT receipts to the EU as other countries do?

The last time I checked the TRNC was not part of the EU.

[Kikapu]

You were the one who was to scared to cross into the north not the other way around and if you remember I challenged you all to meet if you donated money to charity after which you all backed out like the cowards you are.

Once again VP, you are not telling the truth or only saying half-truth, or in your case, half-lies. I'll respond to this post fully later, when I have more time.

I just returned spending a week in your country of Birth by the way. No no, it was not the "TRNC" but the UK.

So why are you ashamed telling us that you are a "Charlie and a B.B.C" VP. You have raised that question about me and I have answered you, but you are refusing to answer the same question when addressed to you.

I am a proud Charlie and I have no problem with that, in fact I am proud to have been born and raised in the UK, it gives me a totally different perspective to the Cyprus issue from those that actually lived though the events of our dark past.

I have lived in the TRNC for over 15 years which I love and have nothing but admiration for my people the TCs who have gone through so much, yet are still a proud people who will succumb t GC domination and manipulation, I identify with them 100%.

How long did you live with the TCs and when did you last interact with them in their own environment?

I have decided not to show you up by ridiculing you once again with your inaccurate statements about who did not want to meet who or as to why I did not cross over to the "TRNC" on my last visit to Cyprus. Those who REALLY wants to know, can get most of the info on here

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... pus+cyprus

There's nothing wrong being a "Charlie". It first came from you to try and label me in a "Negative" way, so I had no choice but to throw it back at you, that's all. Too bad you did not accept being a B.B.C (British Born Cypriot) however. Your parents are Cypriot VP, so stands the reason, that you too are also a Cypriot.

As for your prospective on Cyprus being different than others....too right.!!

I'm not trying to be rude or offensive, and if I come across that way, let me appologise up front. My prospective about Cyprus and it's past history does not change me to become something I cannot be, which is a "Nationality of TRNC", because it is not part of the Cyprus I know, feel, and accept. You on the other hand, having had no connection to Cyprus or it's history for the most part, landed yourself on a part of Cyprus that goes by the name "TRNC", that has NO HISTORY of it's own, at all. You have arrived to a place that you cannot link anything that goes back into your families history or roots. So basically, you might as well have landed on Mars, or perhaps a little bit closer on Earth, like all the other countries that is not your home, i.e, the UK. Like it or not, you are a foreigner in the "TRNC".

You become a Cypriot each time you cross into the "RoC, and if and when the "TRNC" ceases to exists one day, then you will be a Cypriot once again where your house is located right now in the North. Unlike our good friends like T_C and Shah who were born in the "TRNC" have no choice but to call it their home and their "country", no thanks to the elders for putting them in that situation. So when those two and others in the same situation do not accept the RoC as being the "only" Cyprus, it is logical. So the point I'm making is VP, you can live in the "TRNC" for the next 100 years, and you still wont be able to discount my first 9 years of my life in the "real" Cyprus. So when you make comments about that you live amongst our people and I don't, does not give you any special privilages at all over me. Once again, you are only a foreigner in the "TRNC", where as, I'm a citizen of Cyprus.

I hope you can see the difference.

[zan]

You were the one who was to scared to cross into the north not the other way around and if you remember I challenged you all to meet if you donated money to charity after which you all backed out like the cowards you are.

Once again VP, you are not telling the truth or only saying half-truth, or in your case, half-lies. I'll respond to this post fully later, when I have more time.

I just returned spending a week in your country of Birth by the way. No no, it was not the "TRNC" but the UK.

So why are you ashamed telling us that you are a "Charlie and a B.B.C" VP. You have raised that question about me and I have answered you, but you are refusing to answer the same question when addressed to you.

I am a proud Charlie and I have no problem with that, in fact I am proud to have been born and raised in the UK, it gives me a totally different perspective to the Cyprus issue from those that actually lived though the events of our dark past.

I have lived in the TRNC for over 15 years which I love and have nothing but admiration for my people the TCs who have gone through so much, yet are still a proud people who will succumb t GC domination and manipulation, I identify with them 100%.

How long did you live with the TCs and when did you last interact with them in their own environment?

I have decided not to show you up by ridiculing you once again with your inaccurate statements about who did not want to meet who or as to why I did not cross over to the "TRNC" on my last visit to Cyprus. Those who REALLY wants to know, can get most of the info on here

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... pus+cyprus

There's nothing wrong being a "Charlie". It first came from you to try and label me in a "Negative" way, so I had no choice but to throw it back at you, that's all. Too bad you did not accept being a B.B.C (British Born Cypriot) however. Your parents are Cypriot VP, so stands the reason, that you too are also a Cypriot.

As for your prospective on Cyprus being different than others....too right.!!

I'm not trying to be rude or offensive, and if I come across that way, let me appologise up front. My prospective about Cyprus and it's past history does not change me to become something I cannot be, which is a "Nationality of TRNC", because it is not part of the Cyprus I know, feel, and accept. You on the other hand, having had no connection to Cyprus or it's history for the most part, landed yourself on a part of Cyprus that goes by the name "TRNC", that has NO HISTORY of it's own, at all. You have arrived to a place that you cannot link anything that goes back into your families history or roots. So basically, you might as well have landed on Mars, or perhaps a little bit closer on Earth, like all the other countries that is not your home, i.e, the UK. Like it or not, you are a foreigner in the "TRNC".

You become a Cypriot each time you cross into the "RoC, and if and when the "TRNC" ceases to exists one day, then you will be a Cypriot once again where your house is located right now in the North. Unlike our good friends like T_C and Shah who were born in the "TRNC" have no choice but to call it their home and their "country", no thanks to the elders for putting them in that situation. So when those two and others in the same situation do not accept the RoC as being the "only" Cyprus, it is logical. So the point I'm making is VP, you can live in the "TRNC" for the next 100 years, and you still wont be able to discount my first 9 years of my life in the "real" Cyprus. So when you make comments about that you live amongst our people and I don't, does not give you any special privilages at all over me. Once again, you are only a foreigner in the "TRNC", where as, I'm a citizen of Cyprus.

I hope you can see the difference.

The problem lies with you my friend in which you clearly cannot see the difference........The CYPRUS REPUBLIC that you are referring to does not exist any more and has not done so since the resolution of the UN (Who I fully understand had no choice because of the game played by the GCs) in 1964 to recognise the GCs as the sole government of Cyprus....They used every trick in the book to get to that point and you are accepting the fate accompli without a word.......The "RoC" is there for you to accept or reject as a legitimate government of Cyprus and you have chosen to give up your rights and your country to GReek rule without a fight...Your choice of course but being gutless is not is not a virtue mate so please give it up. My rights were stripped from me before I even knew what to do with them.......I intend to get them back.

[Andros]

This, unfortunately, all boils down to one simple fact: Whether we should chance another Annan Plan - UN Plan referendum - or cut the line ourselves. If we wait to long for our Greek Cypriot politicians to figure out how to solve the Cyprus problem, together with the thousands of refugees from Syria via the Atilla line, we might as well call back the Annan Plan now and vote yes as we may soon wake up as a minority people in our own republic.

The Annan Plan was a desaster, to say the least - but at least we knew the end result of what the Turkish Cypriots were able to finally do. While, at this moment in time, if we don't resolve the Cyprus problem soon, we will soon realise that northern Cyprus could be swept from under our feet without even a single village handed back!

At least by forcing a resolution, we have a good chance of claiming the Varosha, the entire buffer zone area, most of Morphu, one of the British bases and probably a few of the villages along the west atilla line leading to Famagusta.

All this reference to the Annan Plan and its maps make me think of just one thing - THE DISSOLUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS.

A United Republic is out of the question - I would prefer partition any day of the week - it's either a Pure unification with NO COMPONENT STATE, or "Cypriot States" as Annan put it, or a clean cut.

For those Greek Cypriots who believe Angels will fly down and win us back our land in northern Cyprus, I would just like to say - Wake up and realise the DAMAGE of our "Closed" policy has done so far in the Promotion of Northern Cyprus.

I hope Papadopoulos WINS the elections in Feb 2008, as only he appears realistic and bold enough to demand what the world is gradually accepting - a Partitioned island of the REPUBLIC of CYPRUS and a Turkish Cypriot north that can not, ever, interfere with our REPUBLIC again.

The Annan Plan was only an idea - Please don't make it tomorrow's reality.

If you can succeed in clinching a unified Cyprus deal, I sincerely say Good Luck to your seriously optimistic mind, otherwise stop this madeness and SECURE or REPUBLIC from the puppets known as THE UNITED NATIONS!

Turkey will always Champion only a UN deal as it means the guarantee of their so-called 1960 rights! And the Annan Plan, Set of ideas and the many more before it were good examples of the many failed attempts in tricking our people. In my view, I actually think that the Annan Plan was a solution based on the step form of politics leading to the overall annexation to Turkey: Annan Confederation, Partition after a spark that sets off inter-communal fighting, and then Turkey's final interference flooding the island with refugees that would have ultimately shifted the island's demographic trend.

As Turkey failed to secure the dissolution of the Republic of Cyprus via the Annan Plan, or any other UN plan, they are now flushing hundreds - if not thousands - of refugees into our republic in an attempt in shifting the demographic Greek Cypriot balance. This must be stopped - soon - and I don't really care if the north is recognised or not, at least they will be out of our politics for good.

Let's put it this way - if the north to recognised as an independent country, do you honestly believe Turkey will let it go??? Or do you think Turkey will flush out the remaining Turkish Cypriot people and annex that area of the island.

AT LEAST WILL WILL HAVE THE LUXURY IN TREATING THE NORTH AS AN EXTERNAL BORDER, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO LEGALLY ACCEPT THEIR REFUGES UNDER EU LAW.

THE CHOICE IS YOURS! Say what you will about me Get Real, but my heart is with my people and my republic, where is yours! Please think about what I have said as it's now in the international media everyday - from the Cyprus Mail to Reuters and the Cyprus News Agency. Even, South Africa has mentioned a few instances.

[zan]

This, unfortunately, all boils down to one simple fact: Whether we should chance another Annan Plan - UN Plan referendum - or cut the line ourselves. If we wait to long for our Greek Cypriot politicians to figure out how to solve the Cyprus problem, together with the thousands of refugees from Syria via the Atilla line, we might as well call back the Annan Plan now and vote yes as we may soon wake up as a minority people in our own republic.

The Annan Plan was a desaster, to say the least - but at least we knew the end result of what the Turkish Cypriots were able to finally do. While, at this moment in time, if we don't resolve the Cyprus problem soon, we will soon realise that northern Cyprus could be swept from under our feet without even a single village handed back!

At least by forcing a resolution, we have a good chance of claiming the Varosha, the entire buffer zone area, most of Morphu, one of the British bases and probably a few of the villages along the west atilla line leading to Famagusta.

All this reference to the Annan Plan and its maps make me think of just one thing - THE DISSOLUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS.

A United Republic is out of the question - I would prefer partition any day of the week - it's either a Pure unification with NO COMPONENT STATE, or "Cypriot States" as Annan put it, or a clean cut.

For those Greek Cypriots who believe Angels will fly down and win us back our land in northern Cyprus, I would just like to say - Wake up and realise the DAMAGE of our "Closed" policy has done so far in the Promotion of Northern Cyprus.

I hope Papadopoulos WINS the elections in Feb 2008, as only he appears realistic and bold enough to demand what the world is gradually accepting - a Partitioned island of the REPUBLIC of CYPRUS and a Turkish Cypriot north that can not, ever, interfere with our REPUBLIC again.

The Annan Plan was only an idea - Please don't make it tomorrow's reality.

If you can succeed in clinching a unified Cyprus deal, I sincerely say Good Luck to your seriously optimistic mind, otherwise stop this madeness and SECURE or REPUBLIC from the puppets known as THE UNITED NATIONS!

Turkey will always Champion only a UN deal as it means the guarantee of their so-called 1960 rights! And the Annan Plan, Set of ideas and the many more before it were good examples of the many failed attempts in tricking our people. In my view, I actually think that the Annan Plan was a solution based on the step form of politics leading to the overall annexation to Turkey: Annan Confederation, Partition after a spark that sets off inter-communal fighting, and then Turkey's final interference flooding the island with refugees that would have ultimately shifted the island's demographic trend.

As Turkey failed to secure the dissolution of the Republic of Cyprus via the Annan Plan, or any other UN plan, they are now flushing hundreds - if not thousands - of refugees into our republic in an attempt in shifting the demographic Greek Cypriot balance. This must be stopped - soon - and I don't really care if the north is recognised or not, at least they will be out of our politics for good.

Let's put it this way - if the north to recognised as an independent country, do you honestly believe Turkey will let it go??? Or do you think Turkey will flush out the remaining Turkish Cypriot people and annex that area of the island.

AT LEAST WILL WILL HAVE THE LUXURY IN TREATING THE NORTH AS AN EXTERNAL BORDER, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO LEGALLY ACCEPT THEIR REFUGES UNDER EU LAW.

THE CHOICE IS YOURS! Say what you will about me Get Real, but my heart is with my people and my republic, where is yours! Please think about what I have said as it's now in the international media everyday - from the Cyprus Mail to Reuters and the Cyprus News Agency. Even, South Africa has mentioned a few instances.

A lot of realities there Andros if not slightly confused.......The GCs on this forum will not like you talking common sense though

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

I have decided not to show you up by ridiculing you once again with your inaccurate statements about who did not want to meet who or as to why I did not cross over to the "TRNC" on my last visit to Cyprus. Those who REALLY wants to know, can get most of the info on here

Feel free as I have nothing to hide, you are the coward and everyone has read your excuses for not crossing to the TRNC, which are pathetic, you either have something to fear of the TRNC (which cannot be military service as people travel in and out of the TRNC without encountering problems) or you are a GC posing as a TC to serve your own perversion of hatred towards TCs & Turks.

There's nothing wrong being a "Charlie". It first came from you to try and label me in a "Negative" way, so I had no choice but to throw it back at you, that's all. Too bad you did not accept being a B.B.C (British Born Cypriot) however. Your parents are Cypriot VP, so stands the reason, that you too are also a Cypriot.

The negativity is the difference which is you are a Charlie who lives abroad now and for the past 43 years with no contact with TCs in their own environment. My parents are both Turkish Cypriots and although I was born and raised in the UK of which I am proud I am more Turkish Cypriot than English. So I know what I am I dont need your permission or confirmation.

I'm not trying to be rude or offensive, and if I come across that way, let me appologise up front.

You are naturally rude, offensive and very scarcastic to a level of nuseau, this makes you someone I would never associate with in real life, so you do not need to apologies for being you.

My prospective about Cyprus and it's past history does not change me to become something I cannot be, which is a "Nationality of TRNC", because it is not part of the Cyprus I know, feel, and accept.

You are exactly that the past whereas I am the future of the TRNC so as long as GCs continue with their current policies and people like you support them I will fight for what I and people like me believe is right. Ask yourself what have you left this island? or the world? your Cypriotism is at the end of the line when you die, thats it no more, the stark reality.

You on the other hand, having had no connection to Cyprus or it's history for the most part, landed yourself on a part of Cyprus that goes by the name "TRNC", that has NO HISTORY of it's own, at all. You have arrived to a place that you cannot link anything that goes back into your families history or roots. So basically, you might as well have landed on Mars, or perhaps a little bit closer on Earth, like all the other countries that is not your home, i.e, the UK. Like it or not, you are a foreigner in the "TRNC".

I will not get into a pissing race with you as this proves nothing, my connection with this island is my parentage and the last 15 years of living here and rasing a family, the labels you are trying to use do not mean shit, you are the outsider, the Charlie who lives abroad and has never interacted with his claimed people in over 43 years, we will let others decide the strength or validitity of your arguements based on your experiences upto the age of 9 and nothing ever since.

My history can be traced a long way back as my fathers side is one of the oldest in Nicosia and I do not have an identity crisis, this is something I will leave to you as you consider yourself Tcs whos views are more Gc than the GCs themselves, that tells people a great deal.

You become a Cypriot each time you cross into the "RoC, and if and when the "TRNC" ceases to exists one day, then you will be a Cypriot once again where your house is located right now in the North. Unlike our good friends like T_C and Shah who were born in the "TRNC" have no choice but to call it their home and their "country", no thanks to the elders for putting them in that situation. So when those two and others in the same situation do not accept the RoC as being the "only" Cyprus, it is logical. So the point I'm making is VP, you can live in the "TRNC" for the next 100 years, and you still wont be able to discount my first 9 years of my life in the "real" Cyprus. So when you make comments about that you live amongst our people and I don't, does not give you any special privilages at all over me. Once again, you are only a foreigner in the "TRNC", where as, I'm a citizen of Cyprus.

Total crap, you continue to make things up as you go along, the "RoC" is the foreign country to me, full of Gcs denying me the right to live just like anyone else in the EU unless I submit to living in a GC state run by GCs. What you still do not seem to realize is that or you do but refuse to accept is that we will never put ourselves in that situation we would rather be absorbed by Turkey (which are our roots and which GCs kindly remind us of) than be a minority in a GC state.

Its really ironic that someone living abroad for over 43 years is trying to tell someone who lives on the island for over 15 years that he knows whats best for TCs, you are not only a despot individual but very very dangerous.

I hope you can see the difference.

Ho I see the difference and the dangers you pose to the TCs people.

[Kikapu]

The problem lies with you my friend in which you clearly cannot see the difference........The CYPRUS REPUBLIC that you are referring to does not exist any more and has not done so since the resolution of the UN (Who I fully understand had no choice because of the game played by the GCs) in 1964 to recognise the GCs as the sole government of Cyprus....They used every trick in the book to get to that point and you are accepting the fate accompli without a word.......The "RoC" is there for you to accept or reject as a legitimate government of Cyprus and you have chosen to give up your rights and your country to GReek rule without a fight...Your choice of course but being gutless is not is not a virtue mate so please give it up. My rights were stripped from me before I even knew what to do with them.......I intend to get them back.

Zan,

Are you not the one that is always asking the RoC to allow the Zurich agreements to be given to us, the TC's.?? Are you then not talking about the 1960 Constitution, and if so, how is it denied to us, if we don't want them in the first place. When was the last time anyone from the "TRNC" wanted to return to the "Zurich Agreements". So before we can get our rights back, we would need to go and get them, but do not forget, that as soon as we get those rights back, we would then have to start restoring all the Human Rights violations against all those who are effected by the Turkish Occupation and the presence of an illegal "TRNC". As far as the world is concerned, the RoC has legality on it's side over the "TRNC", so between the two of us, just who really is supporting illegalities.???

I personally do not want to go back to the 1960 Constitution or perhaps I should say "Annan Plan, minus 43 years" because it was unworkable back then as the "Annan Plan, plus 43 years" was unworkable in 2003. If we are all serious about peace and being citizens of Cyprus as ONE, then we need the True Federation to be formed with a New Constitution. I know that's not where the hearts of the Partitionists are, then I'm really lost for thoughts, as to why the Partitionist do not propose to take an acceptable share of the island for themselves and be totally Independent as "Andros" more or less suggested as well as "Kifeas". You guys piss and moan all the time, but not doing anything to get what you want that will be acceptable to the rest of those who also live on this island, but always try to get things done through the "back door like bad characters in the dark".