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[boomerang]

Bannaniot you are an idiot...I always favoured a federal system such as the Australian model, where the state government is there to meet all the needs of the state's residents...not just the few, the chosen ones...Did the Annan plan give you this basic shit?...Personal freedom as in state or as in country?

So take your damn accussations and shove them back where the sun don't shine...

[Kifeas]

For those not knowing much about kemalism, the inseparable ideology of the vast majority of the TCs, here is a couple of links as a start-up from what I regard as one of the most truly authoritative sources on the internet nowadays!

http://www.answers.com/kemalism

http://www.answers.com/topic/kemalist-ideology

Pay special attention to the entire article on kemalism from the Mideast & N. Africa Encyclopedia (first link above; ) and also on one of the 6 main principles (six arrows) of Ataturk and kemalism, that of “Nationalism!”

[Bananiot]

Of course you supported federation Boomerang but our federation can only reflect the realities of Cyprus including the criminal mistakes we made in the 60's. If you cannot see this its too bad, you can always choose betwen bloodshed and partition. So, which is it?

[phoenix]

Kifeas has described in the best possible way, how I feel about the people Cyprus is having to deal with. They are unreasonable.

However, I don't think we need to do anything rush and settle for ANY form of partition.

But I hope that bloodshed is NOT the only other alternative.

We just have to carry on doing the right thing morally, and we can find the correct solution.

[boomerang]

Of course you supported federation Boomerang but our federation can only reflect the realities of Cyprus including the criminal mistakes we made in the 60's. If you cannot see this its too bad, you can always choose betwen bloodshed and partition. So, which is it?

Bananiot you can more than include yourself in the criminal gang, but the majority of the people that paid for it, ain't no criminals...I think you missed this point...Am I a criminal?...were my parents criminals?...well if the answer is no, you have no damn right to include me in your criminalities what so ever...

What I want is a place that functions in an orderly manner...something akin to a lot of developed countries...This is why I said

Those 2 options might be what is unfortunately left due to the tcs inability to comprehend what a true federal system is and how much of a comprimise from our part that is...

and it looks to me it's not just tcs that have a problem with the above it's also you Bananiot...

[Kikapu]

Kifeas, you have not surprised me. I have known this all along.

Bananiot,

But you have also subscribed to the Annan Plan as the answer for a solution, which was built around BBF, which is what Kifeas is talking about, as not being workable..

Bananiot beilives that as long as he can go with his friend Halil to Hassan's tavern and eat "kelle" together, that is all he needs or is required as a solution of the Cyprus problem!

I have already asked VP what price the TC's were willing to pay to be their own "EFENDI" ...(boss) to become an Independent State, which I do not think Turkey will ever allow it to happen, was willing to go down the lines of 82-18 split, but deep down he wants the 70-30 as does the "TRNC" and Turkey. I still believe that the "TRNC" would rather have a BBF over an Independent State. They have more to gain from BBF than having to work for everything from scratch as an Independent State. In BBF, the RoC will be the "cash cow" as well as have Turkey close by to look over the shoulders of the RoC and be a "back seat driver" in day to day running of the country, with the veto power from Turkey's right hand...the "TRNC".

If you built that 20ft wall Kifeas, either Halil or Bananiot will have to move to the other side, in order to have kelle together.

Do they serve kelle in the South.???

[Bananiot]

Kikapu, please do me a favour. If partition and bloodshed are better than the Annan Plan then perhaps some people may need their kkele tested.

[boomerang]

Should't the other side also consider this and denounce the Annan plan as such and demand a more fairer plan?...for the sake of peace?

[Bananiot]

Boomerang, in the autumn of 1964, after the bloodshed at Kokkina, the Soviet Union through its Foreign Minister Gromiko, suggested Federation as a possible solution to the Cyprus problem. If I remember correctly the suggestion was for functional federation where no mass movements of people were to take place. We distainfully turned down the suggestion and marched to glory. Now, having rejected the Annan Plan, we are looking at other options which are just two:

(a) Bloodshed
(b) Partition

Please tell me to which option you subscribe.

[Kikapu]

Of course you supported federation Boomerang but our federation can only reflect the realities of Cyprus including the criminal mistakes we made in the 60's. If you cannot see this its too bad, you can always choose betwen bloodshed and partition. So, which is it?

Bananiot, excuse me, but during the Civil war in America, hundreds of thousands died, brother was fighting brother, one wanting to tear up the Union and the other to preserve it, and at the end the Federation and the Union went on to become a strong, prosperous and a very Democratic Country. If they could do it with huge loses of life from each side during battles, why can't we, with our little silly community fighting. Was it that bad, that we are not able to move forward. If so, then yes, perhaps we do all deserve to lose part of the island in order to satisfy those who are not able to move forward. Too bad they do not want 100% of Cyprus in a True Federation, than a totally unworkable "cocktail mix poison drink" called the BBF.

I thought we went down that road once before with the 1960 Constitution and look what happened.