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[Nikitas]

If that was the best we are going to get then where is the incentive to leave behind what we have now?

The months preceding the Annan plan, perhaps you people do not remember, we had lots of Turkish (mainland) officials toutint how the idea was to have a "win-win" situation where both sides would gain something. I still am searching to see what it is the GC side would be winning besides the dead zone in the green line and Famagusta which is deserted and not used, always was there as a bargaining chip.

In addition to the unacceptable territorial arrangements there were lots of other factors, like the cost of the reunification which was to be borne entirely by the GC side, which were more like penalties than a win-win deal.

So let us not worry about what we missed etc. We narrowly escaped methinks.

[Nikitas]

Iceman wrote:

"nikitas
There is not a single source of drinking water in the above map and 80% of the coastline is inaccessible volcanic rock...not so "equitable" is it?"

Look up Costa Brava in Spain, Cote D'Azur in France and compare topography. They have volcanic rocky coasts too but believe me, if anyone offers you a place there at a good price grab it. It is the way you manage the coast not its morphology that makes it valuable. Wealth is made, not found.

The water problem is a perennial problem for the whole island. Other than religious incantations to bring rain there are more practical projects like conservation, reuse, desalination that both north and south must use to ensure adequate supplies. And your observations Iceman bring up a point made by Copperline not so long ago, that on such a small place which is ecologically unitary there cannot be partition which is fair in the sharing of resources. Which is another nail in the old Anna plan coffin. Water is on one side, arable land on the other, olive groves on another etc etc, resources are not conveniently located along partitionist lines.

[Nikitas]

Phoenix wrote:

"Good lesson for us all . . . . Always read the small print"

Thank you for the undeserved compliments. Now think that an above average well informed person like you Phoenix has not seen the maps during the build up to the Annan referendum, what has the average person seen?

I happen to have seen them because I work in the media and they happened to have crossed my desk, the person handling the Annan story did not know Cyprus and he wanted help in figuring out what was where. If he was not geographically challenged I would not have seen the maps either. Note that the media in Greece pushed for the plan but very few of them showed the maps and even fewer had expert comment on them.

[Get Real!]

In time you will realise that the Annan plan was probably the best you were going to get and were stupid to reject it. I dont you will get the same terms again. Just my opinion.

You need to WIDEN your VIEW WINDOW of the history of Cyprus to realize that MANY foreigners with all these opinions have come and gone but the indigenous people are the only ones that have survived the test of time, so I wouldn't predict too much if I were you about what the Cypriots will realize "in time"...

[Bananiot]

Here are some facts regarding the solution we rejected:

The restricted part of Varosha would have been returned along with Morphou and Kokkina as well as some occupied areas that belong to Athienou, Mammari, Pila and Troulloi. Also the villages of Ayios Nikolaos, Petrofani, Selemani, Varisia, Achna, Petra, Ayios Georgios of Lefka, Galini, Loutro, Piroi, Timpou, Acheritou, Ammadia, Avlona, Kalopsida, Kontea, Limnitis, Lisi, Makrasika, Kserovouno, Gerolakkos, Kato Zodia, Pano Zodia, Mia Milia, Ayia Marina, Ayios Ermolaos, Ayios Vasilios, Agridaki, Argaki, Assia, Asomatos, Vatili, Filia, Gaidouras (Nea Sparti), Kalo Chorio, Karavostasi, Karpasia, Katokopia, Kontemenos, Kormakitis, Kira, Larnaka of Lapithos, Mirtou, Nikita, Pentayia, Potamos Kampou, Prasteio of Morphou, Prasteio of Famagusta, Pirga, Sisklipos and Skilloura.

The people of Karpasia would return in an autonomous region and 1/4 of the Akrotiri base and 3/4 of the Dekelia base would have been returned to the Greek Cypriot component state. Today, that is, 3.5 years after the referenda, 34 thousands Turkish soldiers would have returned to their barracks in Turkey and we would be left with about 60 thousands settlers at worse, rather than the 300 000 we have today.

[zan]

In time you will realise that the Annan plan was probably the best you were going to get and were stupid to reject it. I dont you will get the same terms again. Just my opinion.

You need to WIDEN your VIEW WINDOW of the history of Cyprus to realize that MANY foreigners with all these opinions have come and gone but the indigenous people are the only ones that have survived the test of time, so I wouldn't predict too much if I were you about what the Cypriots will realize "in time"...

And your family brought in the eastern European look to the island because you sure don't look like a Cypriot....Indigenous my ******.

Meat our new Cypriot cousin GRkaplinski....

[Nikitas]

Bananiot, can you please provide some reference to the comment you made:


"The people of Karpasia would return in an autonomous region and 1/4 of the Akrotiri base and 3/4 of the Dekelia base would have been returned to the Greek Cypriot component state. " The maps do not show this and the only reference I heard of it from British sources was that the UK was "sudying the return of some parts of the SBA to be apportioned between the two communities". How do you conclude that parts of the SBAs were to be definitely returned? I cannot find any source that confirms your view but I am always open to evidence.

As for Karpasia it was a choice, either less territory in the west and Karpasia, or more territory in the west without Karpasia. It was an either or choice, not an automatic inclusion of Karpasia.

[Kikapu]

Here are some facts regarding the solution we rejected:
we would be left with about 60 thousands settlers at worse, rather than the 300 000 we have today.

Bananiot,

I usually do not contradict you in what you write, but the above caught my attention. Are you really saying, that there are 300,000 Mainland Turks in the "TRNC now. Wow, that is more than twice as True TC's, even if we do include the 40,000 Turkish Troops into the mix. And as far as all the Mainland Turks would have returned back to Turkey except for 60,000 if the AP was agreed on, then how do you explain what our good friend Halil posted just yesterday with this on another thread.

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:07 pm

halil
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Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Article 3 Cypriot citizenship upon entry into force of the Foundation Agreement
1. Upon entry into force of the Foundation Agreement, the following persons shall be considered citizens of Cyprus:
a. Any person who held Cypriot citizenship in 1960 and his or her descendants;
b. Any person who enjoyed permanent residence in Cyprus for at least seven years before reaching the age of 18 and for at least one year during the last five years;
c. Any person who is married to a Cypriot citizen and has enjoyed permanent residence for at least two years in Cyprus; and
d. Minor children of the persons in the above categories who enjoy permanent residence in Cyprus.
2. In addition to the above, persons whose names figure on a list handed over to the Secretary-General of the United Nations by each party to the Comprehensive Settlement by 10 March 2003 shall be citizens of Cyprus. Each side’s list may number no more than 33,000 persons, inclusive of spouses and children, unless there are specific reasons preventing such spouses and children from being considered citizens of Cyprus. Applicants shall be included on the list based on the length of their residence in Cyprus.

Based on what Halil posted, it sounds to me like, almost all of the Mainland Turks would have been eligible to become Cypriot Citizens, except for very, very, very, very few, who may have arrived on the last boat to the "TRNC" from Turkey, and even then, they would have had to been paid, to re-locate back to Turkey or where ever else they may have come from. I know you trust Halil, so what do you say to his post Bananiot.??

[Get Real!]

In time you will realise that the Annan plan was probably the best you were going to get and were stupid to reject it. I dont you will get the same terms again. Just my opinion.

You need to WIDEN your VIEW WINDOW of the history of Cyprus to realize that MANY foreigners with all these opinions have come and gone but the indigenous people are the only ones that have survived the test of time, so I wouldn't predict too much if I were you about what the Cypriots will realize "in time"...

And your family brought in the eastern European look to the island because you sure don't look like a Cypriot....Indigenous my ******.

Meat our new Cypriot cousin GRkaplinski....

You've made a mess of your spelling/grammar here making your message incomprehensible...

[Get Real!]

Here are some facts regarding the solution we rejected:

What's that in square kilometers Bananiot?