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[CopperLine]

BC Numismatics,

What happens when, according to your logic,one substitutes the word TRNC for that of Somaliland in the following excerpt :

Despite what a lot of people say,Somaliland's [TRNC's] declaration of independence was not a unilateral one,as Somaliland's [TRNC's] independence has been confirmed by way of national referenda,most recently in 2001.Therefore,Somaliland [TRNC] is legitimately an independent state,which should be admitted into full membership of the British Commonwealth. Somaliland [TRNC] doesn't even need to have permission from the Somalians [Cyprus] to secede,because Somaliland [TRNC] HAS already seceded.

According to this logic, like Somaliland, TRNC is an independent state because it says its an independent state and acts like an independent state. Is that what you mean ?

[BC Numismatics]

CopperLine,Somaliland is actually like Taiwan,a country that is located within its historic boundaries.The so-called 'T.R.N.C.' is actually an artificial creation of Turkey in the same way that Transdniester is Russia's artificial creation on Moldova's territory.That's the difference.

Aidan.

[utu]

CopperLine,Somaliland is actually like Taiwan,a country that is located within its historic boundaries.The so-called 'T.R.N.C.' is actually an artificial creation of Turkey in the same way that Transdniester is Russia's artificial creation on Moldova's territory.That's the difference.

Aidan.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Aidan, but Russia does not recognize Transdnistra, does it?

[BC Numismatics]

Utu,Russia does recognise Transdniester,as there is a huge Russian Army garrison being stationed there.Russia has been sticking its nose into the internal affairs of other countries,such as Georgia for years in a continuation of the U.S.S.R.'s policies.

Aidan.

[utu]

Utu,Russia does recognise Transdniester,as there is a huge Russian Army garrison being stationed there.Russia has been sticking its nose into the internal affairs of other countries,such as Georgia for years in a continuation of the U.S.S.R.'s policies.

Aidan.

I'm referring to official recognition. What you are describing is similar to South Africa and Portugal in regards to Rhodesia: tacit rather than formal. I have found no information regarding a Russian Embassy in Transdnistra or a Transdnistran Embassy in Moscow.

[BC Numismatics]

Utu,I'm not really sure,as far as diplomatic relations between Transdniester & Russia goes.South Africa did openly support Ian Smith's rebel Rhodesian government,including supplying military equipment,such as the R4 rifle.South Africa also had embassies in the Bantustans that it established,& the Bantustans had their own embassies in Pretoria.Interestingly,the Bantustans didn't recognise each other at all.

Aidan.

[Dave69]

Dear Aidan,
Don't get me wrong as I am not against the achievements of the Isaq people but I would like to set the record straight. You mentioned that the people of Somaliland have voted in referendum to secede from the rest of Somalia. Nothing could be further from the truth, I was one of the observers in that referendum and it only took place in the Isaq inhabited territories and it did not take place in the Sool and Sanaag regions. I was one of the team members who were supervising the Burao district along with another colleague from the Wales. We were specifically told by the Somaliland authorities not to go to Sool and Sanag regions as they don't control them. The other thing you mentioned is that the Somaliland people don't need permission from the Somali government. As you may know the international community recognized the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia as the sole legitimate authority in the Somali Republic (including the Somaliland and Puntland regions) and Somaliland doesn't have voice in the international forums.
Aidan, You can be a sympathizer to a cause but you also need to tell the truth about it. I myself did lots for the people in those regions especially the Isaq inhabited regions and would like to see them prosper. I would also like them to talk to those opposing the secession project so they can avoid to create misery and chaos in this peaceful regions(Somaliland and Puntland) of Somalia.
If you need to get the census data that we put together during the referendum I would be more than happy to share them with you.
Dave,

[BC Numismatics]

Dave,as the old saying goes,the horse has already bolted.Somaliland has seceded from Somalia - back in 1991! The so-called 'Transitional Federal Government of Somalia' isn't the legitimate government of Somaliland at all.The only government that is legitimate in Somaliland is the Government of the Republic of Somaliland.The so-called 'T.F.G. of Somalia' is the legitimate authority for what was Italian Somaliland (the Republic of Somalia.

About the Provinces of Sanaag & Sool,they are legitimately part of Somaliland,but Puntland is both illegally occupying these 2 provinces & have imposed a pirate state calling itself 'Maakhir'.The Somaliland Army would be within their rights to turf Puntland's militias out of Somaliland.

Somaliland's capital city is located in Hargeisa,not Mogadishu!

Aidan.

[BC Numismatics]

Kosovo is expected to be finally declared independent some time in the first half of this year.As soon as this happens,it will mark the final burial of the failed pipedream that was 'Yugoslavia',& Serbia will not be able to prevent this from occurring,as America will support Kosovo.

Aidan.