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[DT.]

"When we were trying to convince Turkey to allow the passage of our troops through its territory in Northern Iraq, we gave Turkey two motives: several billion dollars in the form of donations and loans and Cyprus in the form of the Annan plan."
Daniel Fried (member of the National Security Council and special advisor to President Bush), 26 June 2004

EXCELLENT POST RAFAELLA! IT helps to remember exactly who we are dealing with sometimes!

and stll you have certain GC's on this forum banging on about this Turkish gift called the Annan plan.

[Nikitas]

It brings back that incident described by Major Packard when he was showin Goerge Ball around Cyprus: "son, the name of the game here is partition". That was in 1964!

[denizaksulu]

One for Deniz,

The point was precisely that the RoC would CEASE TO EXIST with the Annan plan! Gul, then foreign minister ,gloated how the Annan plan would put "an end to their sovereignty". This is the whole point with any plan that extinguishes RoC sovereignty and mixes us up with a TC component state that is made up mostly of settlers- it is the beginning of the end for us.

Nikitas, with your (GC) numerical supremacy, I can not see it being the 'end of us' for the GCs.

Are you referring to the settlers' numbers? That was taken care of in the Annan Plan as someone above mentioned.

Regards

[halil]

Revised Annan plan

Article 8 Demilitarisation
1. Bearing in mind that:
a. The Treaty of Guarantee, in applying mutatis mutandis to the new state of affairs established in this Agreement and the Constitution of Cyprus, shall cover, in addition to the independence, territorial integrity, security and constitutional order of Cyprus, the territorial integrity, security and constitutional order of the <component states>;
b. The Treaty of Alliance shall permit Greek and Turkish contingents, each not exceeding [insert figure between 2,500 and 7,500 prior to the signature of the Comprehensive Settlement] all ranks, to be stationed under the Treaty of Alliance in the Greek Cypriot <component state> and the Turkish Cypriot <component state> respectively;
c. Greek and Turkish forces and armaments shall be redeployed to agreed locations and adjusted to agreed levels, and any forces and armaments in excess of agreed levels shall be withdrawn;
d. There shall be a United Nations peacekeeping operation to monitor the implementation of this Agreement and use its best efforts to promote compliance with it and contribute to the maintenance of a secure environment, to remain as long as the government of the <common state>, with the concurrence of both <component states>, does not decide otherwise;
e. The supply of arms to Cyprus shall be prohibited in a manner that is legally binding on both importers and exporters; and
f. A Monitoring Committee composed of the guarantor powers, the <common state>, and the <component states>, and chaired by the United Nations, shall monitor the implementation of this Agreement,
Cyprus shall be demilitarised, and all Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot forces, including reserve units, shall be dissolved, and their arms removed from the island, in phases synchronized with the redeployment and adjustment of Greek and Turkish forces.
2. There shall be no paramilitary or reserve forces or military or paramilitary training of citizens. All weapons except licensed sporting guns shall be prohibited.
3. Neither <component state> shall tolerate violence or incitement of violence against the <common state>, the <component states>, or the guarantor powers.
4. Cyprus shall not put its territory at the disposal of international military operations other than with the consent of Greece and Turkey or the consent of both <component states>.
5. These provisions do not prejudice the provisions of the Treaty of Establishment, the Treaty of Guarantee, the Treaty of Alliance, the mandate of a United Nations peacekeeping operation and the provisions of the Constitution on <common state> and <component state> police and the Joint Investigation Agency.

Source:
http://www.ctpkibris.org/Belgeler/RevisedAnnan.doc

[Piratis]

One for Deniz,

The point was precisely that the RoC would CEASE TO EXIST with the Annan plan! Gul, then foreign minister ,gloated how the Annan plan would put "an end to their sovereignty". This is the whole point with any plan that extinguishes RoC sovereignty and mixes us up with a TC component state that is made up mostly of settlers- it is the beginning of the end for us.

Nikitas, with your (GC) numerical supremacy, I can not see it being the 'end of us' for the GCs.

Are you referring to the settlers' numbers? That was taken care of in the Annan Plan as someone above mentioned.

Regards

What we have today is the pseudo state in the occupied areas and the butchered state which is RoC, but a state nonetheless which can represent us and fight for our rights. Accepting something like the Annan plan would create two pseudo states, while the "central government" not only would be unable to take any important decisions in the interests of Cypriots but if any important decisions would be taken those would be from the foreign judges.

Say for example that Turkey wouldn't give back Famagusta, Morfou and those other territories as per Annan plan. What would we do? Now Turkey has the opposition of an EU state with veto powers and an international voice but if we had accepted the Annan plan we would have non of those since TCs would obviously block the Cyprus state from fighting for the rights of Greek Cypriots against Turkey.

And don't tell me Turkey would not do that since thats exactly what they are doing now and for the last 33 years. All they would need would just another lame excuse. Put some gray wolves to place some bombs in a couble of places, create some conflict, and then they would use that as an excuse to not even give to us the penuats we were supposed to get with Annan plan.

Fortunately the majority of us are not fools to accept something like the Annan plan.

[halil]

Part III: FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES
Article 10 Fundamental Rights
1. In accordance with Article 4(3) of this Constitution, the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms and its Additional Protocols which are in force for Cyprus and the United Nations Covenant on Civil and Political Rights shall be an integral part of this Constitution.
2. There shall be no discrimination against any person on the basis of his or her gender, ethnic or religious identity, or internal <component state> citizenship status.
3. There shall be freedom of movement and freedom of residence throughout Cyprus, except as otherwise expressly provided in this Constitution or any other parts of the Foundation Agreement or a Constitutional Law.
4. The rights of religious and other minorities, including the Maronite, the Latin and the Armenian, shall be safeguarded. The <common state> and the <component states> shall, within their respective spheres of competence, afford minorities the status and rights foreseen in the European Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities, in particular the right to administer their own cultural and educational affairs and to be represented in the legislature.
5. Greek Cypriots residing in the Karpas villages of Rizokarpaso/Dipkarpaz, Agialousa/Yeni Erenköy, Agia Trias/Sipahi, Melanarga/Adacay, and Maronites residing in the villages of Agia Marina/Gürpinar, Asomatos/Özhan, Karpasha/Karpaşa and Kormakiti/Koruçam, and Turkish Cypriots residing in the Tillyria villages of Amadhies/Günebakan, Limnitis/Yeşilyirmak, Selemani/Suleymaniye, Xerovounos/Kurutepe and Agios Georgios/Madenliköy, as well as the Mesaoria villages of Pyla and [insert other villages with more than 20% Turkish Cypriots in 1960 should they fall within the area of territorial adjustment] shall, within the <component states> in which these villages are situated, enjoy the right to administer their own cultural and educational affairs and to be represented in the <component state> legislature.


Why we said Yes .İt is only 158 pages . spend some time and read it . It will not take your time that you are writing everday on this forum .

[Piratis]

We know very well why you said yes and why we said no to the pro-Turk Annan partition plan.

[halil]

Article 3 Cypriot citizenship upon entry into force of the Foundation Agreement
1. Upon entry into force of the Foundation Agreement, the following persons shall be considered citizens of Cyprus:
a. Any person who held Cypriot citizenship in 1960 and his or her descendants;
b. Any person who enjoyed permanent residence in Cyprus for at least seven years before reaching the age of 18 and for at least one year during the last five years;
c. Any person who is married to a Cypriot citizen and has enjoyed permanent residence for at least two years in Cyprus; and
d. Minor children of the persons in the above categories who enjoy permanent residence in Cyprus.
2. In addition to the above, persons whose names figure on a list handed over to the Secretary-General of the United Nations by each party to the Comprehensive Settlement by 10 March 2003 shall be citizens of Cyprus. Each side’s list may number no more than 33,000 persons, inclusive of spouses and children, unless there are specific reasons preventing such spouses and children from being considered citizens of Cyprus. Applicants shall be included on the list based on the length of their residence in Cyprus.

[halil]

Article 2 Entry and residency rights of Greek and Turkish nationals
1. Cyprus shall grant equal treatment to Greek and Turkish nationals with respect to entry and residency rights to the extent permissible under European Union law and the conditions of accession of Cyprus to the European Union.
2. The Aliens Board shall not authorise further immigration of Greek nationals if the number of permanent residents who are Greek nationals has reached 10 % of the number of resident Cypriot citizens who hold the internal <component state> citizenship status of the Greek Cypriot <component state> nor shall it authorise further immigration of Turkish nationals if the number of permanent residents who are Turkish nationals has reached 10% of the number of resident Cypriot citizens who hold the internal <component state> citizenship status of the Turkish Cypriot <component state>.
3. Upon entry into force of the Foundation Agreement, the Aliens Board shall authorise the <component states> to grant permanent residence to nationals of Greece and Turkey up to the level agreed in the previous paragraph. Persons who do not so receive permanent residence may apply for financial assistance to relocate to their country of origin if they have lived in Cyprus for no less than [five] years. Such assistance shall be in the form of cash grants payable on their arrival in their country of origin, within five years of entry into force of the Foundation Agreement. The amount of the grant shall be in accordance with a scale, based on a figure of no less than

[denizaksulu]

One for Deniz,

The point was precisely that the RoC would CEASE TO EXIST with the Annan plan! Gul, then foreign minister ,gloated how the Annan plan would put "an end to their sovereignty". This is the whole point with any plan that extinguishes RoC sovereignty and mixes us up with a TC component state that is made up mostly of settlers- it is the beginning of the end for us.

Nikitas, with your (GC) numerical supremacy, I can not see it being the 'end of us' for the GCs.

Are you referring to the settlers' numbers? That was taken care of in the Annan Plan as someone above mentioned.

Regards

What we have today is the pseudo state in the occupied areas and the butchered state which is RoC, but a state nonetheless which can represent us and fight for our rights. Accepting something like the Annan plan would create two pseudo states, while the "central government" not only would be unable to take any important decisions in the interests of Cypriots but if any important decisions would be taken those would be from the foreign judges.

Say for example that Turkey wouldn't give back Famagusta, Morfou and those other territories as per Annan plan. What would we do? Now Turkey has the opposition of an EU state with veto powers and an international voice but if we had accepted the Annan plan we would have non of those since TCs would obviously block the Cyprus state from fighting for the rights of Greek Cypriots against Turkey.

And don't tell me Turkey would not do that since thats exactly what they are doing now and for the last 33 years. All they would need would just another lame excuse. Put some gray wolves to place some bombs in a couble of places, create some conflict, and then they would use that as an excuse to not even give to us the penuats we were supposed to get with Annan plan.

Fortunately the majority of us are not fools to accept something like the Annan plan.

The Gray Wolves would have done these dastardly things regardless. The Annan Plan would have been a basis from which further talks would have led to a better situation that we (all Cypriots) (you in particular) are facing now. Now you will end up with the splitting (Partition) of our island in to two or a BBF at the most.