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[observer]

Neither my boss or I are 436 years old, though there are days when I feel like it. I can accept responsibilities for things I have done, and take offence for things that have happened to me, my family or friends. But to hold a grudge for something that happend over four centuries ago is foolish.

I think that it is also inaccurate. The Turks threw out the Latins who were even more oppressive to the local peasants.

[Viewpoint]

A response?

Not only you are the ones who started the whole conflict by invading our island in order to enslave and exploit us, but you have been violating our rights for at least the 340 out of the 436 years you exist on this island. So about what "response" are you talking about my friend?

If you didn't like to live with Greeks then you shouldn't have come to Cyprus in the first place.

Your starting point is wrong Piratis when did we have the opportunity to live together as a united people? 1571 or 1960? Your are talking about what happened 400 years when I am talking about recent events what your father did to mine and what mine did to yours, you really need to account for your own actions not those of your forefathers generations and generations ago. That imo is where you go wrong.

[Piratis]

No Viewpoint and Observer. I am talking about what started 400 years ago but continues until today. Every Cypriot generation for the last 436 years have suffered from the Turks. Every single one.

What is recent is not what happened 40 years ago. What is recent is what you (not your fathers) are doing to us now. And as I am sure you would agree, history is a chain of events, of which you started the crimes, not us.

But of course you like to start and stop history whenever you like, right VP? When it suits you, you remember that history is a chain of events. When it doesn't suit you, you forget it.

But even in the not so recent history you are talking about and trying to use as an excuse for yet more crimes against us, you again started the conflict by collaborating with the colonialists and the Turks to violate our rights, something which you continue doing since then.

Here: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14652 I show you those facts which you choose to forget during the only part of history you selectively choose to remember.

The fact viewpoint is that you started the cyrcle of blood, you are the ones who committed by far the most crimes, you are the ones who continue with crimes today, and you are the ones who are still trying to find excuses to continue with yet more crimes in the future.

[observer]

Piratis

Since neither TCs or GCs are going to leave our island is seems like you are aguing for partition.

[RAFAELLA]

"When we were trying to convince Turkey to allow the passage of our troops through its territory in Northern Iraq, we gave Turkey two motives: several billion dollars in the form of donations and loans and Cyprus in the form of the Annan plan."
Daniel Fried (member of the National Security Council and special advisor to President Bush), 26 June 2004

[Piratis]

No mate. What I am arguing for is for one free Cyprus without foreign rulers where Cypriots can rule their own island democratically. I never asked for your minority to leave Cyprus. Just to stop trying to undemocratically force your will on Cyprus or a part of it.

[RAFAELLA]

No Viewpoint and Observer. I am talking about what started 400 years ago but continues until today. Every Cypriot generation for the last 436 years have suffered from the Turks. Every single one.

I guess we are the most unlucky nation/country in the world. We have Turkey as a neighbor!
...can we imagine how unlucky we are?... considering of how many countries are in the world.

[denizaksulu]

I’m not even going to waste my breath to point out the MYRIAD of injustices the AP had in store for the GC people and instead will simply ask everyone this…

Hands up those of you who believe that Turkey would honor her signatures for an incredibly complex plan that was designed to span for a period of TWENTY odd years before completion and especially in light of the fact that Turkey could not even honor her simple ports agreement with the RoC during a tense period when she was trying to “impress” the EU for membership?

So are we, the Greek Cypriots, impressed by Turkey’s cooperation and word of honor thus far?

HELL NO!

I rest my case.

OBJECTION YOUR HONOUR.

Once the signature was on the Annan plan, the RoC would have been recognised etc etc.

So GRs statement is twisted.

I also rest my case

[Nikitas]

One for Deniz,

The point was precisely that the RoC would CEASE TO EXIST with the Annan plan! Gul, then foreign minister ,gloated how the Annan plan would put "an end to their sovereignty". This is the whole point with any plan that extinguishes RoC sovereignty and mixes us up with a TC component state that is made up mostly of settlers- it is the beginning of the end for us.

[Nikitas]

"When we were trying to convince Turkey to allow the passage of our troops through its territory in Northern Iraq, we gave Turkey two motives: several billion dollars in the form of donations and loans and Cyprus in the form of the Annan plan."
Daniel Fried (member of the National Security Council and special advisor to President Bush), 26 June 2004

EXCELLENT POST RAFAELLA! IT helps to remember exactly who we are dealing with sometimes!