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[phoenix]

If you wanted to turn Cyprus into Greece then its you who should of left to go live in Greece.

By bringing the enemy INTO the country....FOR WHATEVER EXCUSE....LET ALONE to annex the country. then that was nothing short of treason!

Unwarranted presumption T_C . . . . too much of a leap going from the ACTUAL to the FANCIFUL

TCs ACTUALLY committed betrayal . . . all the rest is your SPECULATION and fanciful thinking, merely to alleviate your guilt.

Well it doesn't wash with me. Get rid of Turkey from Cyprus first before you can absolve yourselves.

[Viewpoint]

If you wanted to turn Cyprus into Greece then its you who should of left to go live in Greece.

By bringing the enemy INTO the country....FOR WHATEVER EXCUSE....LET ALONE to annex the country. then that was nothing short of treason!

What you forget T_C is that we didn't want to "turn" Cyprus into anything. We just wanted the invadors to stop opressing us and restricting our self-determination, so Cyprus could be what it really is: Another Greek island. Cypriots speak Greek for 1000s of years, they are Greek Orthodox, previously believers of the 12 Gods of Olympus (one of which was Cypriot), and follow the Greek traditions and culture. How much more Greek could it be?

The fact that we were under the Ottomans for 4 centuries doesn't make Cyprus less Greek. The Ottomans occupied Athens and most other Greek territories for 5 centuries. Neither the fact that the Ottomans created a Turkish minority on our island makes Cyprus less Greek. Such minorities where created in many other Greek territories, and many other countries that the Ottomans occupied (e.g. Bulgaria has 12% Turkish minority).

If you are referring to the 1974 coup, that was done against the will of Cypriots and against our elected president who has actually condemned the coup at the UN after he barely managed to escape death. The great great majority of Greek Cypriots have never sided with the Junta of Athens or the coupists. Many GCs died trying to defend democracy in those days. On the other hand the TCs fully colaborated with the illegal and criminal Turkish invadors, and they continue doing so today.

So for you the period from 1967 to 1974 was a bed of roses for TCs, how stupid of us to even think we were being discriminated against or classed as sub humans not being allowed even to frequent the same beaches as yourselves out of fear. You really have to come to terms with the fact that TCs were in a very difficult position and thast why they needed the help Turkey to get us out of the dire position we were in. The coup was the last drop and gave Turkey the excuse to take action and come to the rescue of the TCs. If GCs after 1960 had cultivated a Cypriot people where we were all treated equally with our human rights in tact do you really think TCs would have had the need to strive for Taksim or want Turkey to come save them?

[phoenix]

You beat me to it T_C.

And as for:
"The fact that the whole invasion has been summarily decreed as illegal FURTHER COMPOUNDS the crime of betrayal by the TCs. "

The intervention by Turkey has been declared legal, and by an Athens court too - and you don't get more impartial than that.

And rather than a definition from a dictionary (I have one too) perhaps phoenix could say exactly how she thinks TCs brought "the enemy" into the country. No TC I knew had a plane or a large fleet of ships.

So Turkey read your minds then?

Why is Turkey still occupying Cyprus if the TCs want to do right by Cyprus ?

[Viewpoint]

If you wanted to turn Cyprus into Greece then its you who should of left to go live in Greece.

By bringing the enemy INTO the country....FOR WHATEVER EXCUSE....LET ALONE to annex the country. then that was nothing short of treason!

Unwarranted presumption T_C . . . . too much of a leap going from the ACTUAL to the FANCIFUL

TCs ACTUALLY committed betrayal . . . all the rest is your SPECULATION and fanciful thinking, merely to alleviate your guilt.

Well it doesn't wash with me. Get rid of Turkey from Cyprus first before you can absolve yourselves.

Didn't 99.9% of the GCs vote to turn Cyprus in to Greece?

Without Turkey as Sampson says"Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed 'enosis,'I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus." Eleftherotipia, Feb. 26,1981, thank god they acted when they did.

[Viewpoint]

You beat me to it T_C.

And as for:
"The fact that the whole invasion has been summarily decreed as illegal FURTHER COMPOUNDS the crime of betrayal by the TCs. "

The intervention by Turkey has been declared legal, and by an Athens court too - and you don't get more impartial than that.

And rather than a definition from a dictionary (I have one too) perhaps phoenix could say exactly how she thinks TCs brought "the enemy" into the country. No TC I knew had a plane or a large fleet of ships.

So Turkey read your minds then?

Why is Turkey still occupying Cyprus if the TCs want to do right by Cyprus ?

Have we resolved the problems we had back in 1963??

[phoenix]

You beat me to it T_C.

And as for:
"The fact that the whole invasion has been summarily decreed as illegal FURTHER COMPOUNDS the crime of betrayal by the TCs. "

The intervention by Turkey has been declared legal, and by an Athens court too - and you don't get more impartial than that.

And rather than a definition from a dictionary (I have one too) perhaps phoenix could say exactly how she thinks TCs brought "the enemy" into the country. No TC I knew had a plane or a large fleet of ships.

So Turkey read your minds then?

Why is Turkey still occupying Cyprus if the TCs want to do right by Cyprus ?

Have we resolved the problems we had back in 1963??

The problems in '63 where Turk-TCs holding Cyprus to ransom . . . and let me see . . . Oh yes, you are still doing that today

Thieving Turkish traitors . . .

[T_C]

[phoenix]

:lol:

Look here young man, this is NOT one of your Wii games

Stop laughing, grow up and take this problem seriously!

[cymart]

Turkey would never agree to completely abandon what they regard as their legitimate strategic interests here and Britain has no intention of giving up either Akrotiri or Ayios Nicolaos because they are considered vital to western interests so there is nothing we can effectively do about either of those things,except perhaps get a massive reduction in the number of Turkish troops and confine them to a base and maybe get back Dhekelia which is no longer as important to the U.K. as it used to be.

[Nikitas]

Cymart, you forgot that Greece, with 750 000 Greek Cypriots on the island also has an interest, perhaps the biggest interest if we start breaking the issue down to what interest outsiders have on the island. What do you propose the Greeks should have if the Turks have a base and the British several (you forget all their other "facilities" like Troodos, airports and ports rights, firing ranges etc.

And having settled the interests of outsiders, what interest do we Cypriots have on the island?