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[Viewpoint]

Nikitas, accepting BBF was a huge compromise from our part. However it doesn't mean we would accept whatever is labeled as "BBF". It also goes without saying that we expect from TCs to make a compromise of an equal magnitude from their rights so nobody will be better off or worst off than the 1960 agreements.

Here is a BBF I would accept:

1) To have two states and land distribution to be 18% for north state, 82% for south state. (this covers that Bizonal part)

2) Both states to be just Cypriot states without references to Greek or Turkish (except when referring to language), open equally to all Cypriot citizens without any kind of discrimination.

3) To put a limit on the Greek speaking Cypriots that can be official residents of the north state, and a limit of the Turkish speaking Cypriots that can be residents of the south state, and in this way ensuring that the north state will have a Turkish speaking majority and the south state a Greek Speaking majority (this covers the Bicommunal part)

4) The system to be based on a well functioning true federation like the USA, Russia or Germany. Each state will be able to control certain things, and have its own police etc, but both states to be under the central government which will be democratically elected by all Cypriots as a whole. In the USA for example more populous states elect more electors, to ensure that the "one man one vote" democratic principle is followed as closely as possible. (this covers the Federation part)

5) No guarantors and no British Bases. This will be a new agreement between Cypriots. Since the UK failed to guarantee the independence and sovereignty of Cyprus and we were forced to make different agreements, this means that the UK and the other "guarantors" lose any privilages they got on our island since they didn't do their job right.

6) RoC will be dissolved and the new state will be created only when Turkey withdraws her troops from all territories that will be part of the south Cypriot state.

The land distribution part and functioning of the 2 states elected representatives at the federal level will be the problem parts, how do you see the power sharing and what if more GCs are allowed back into the north state maybe the % can stay at 29% as envisaged in previous plans.

[observer]

humanist

HELL NO TURKEY IS A lying bitch

Thank you for your thoughtful contribution.

[phoenix]

Piratis' version of BBF is the fairest I have ever seen. The Turk-TCs if they were not as greedy as they are should be so thankful to be offered something like that.

But I still think it rewards the TCs who have betrayed our country and that is not right. No one should take somebody else's land by force, hold it to ransom and then be gifted so much.

The TCs are still being treated as special under these circumstances, and that will only make them cause trouble later, once again, should they face a few difficulties, which others view as just part of life.

[observer]

phoenix. Explain how you get to "the TCs who have betrayed our country "

[phoenix]

phoenix. Explain how you get to "the TCs who have betrayed our country "

In short:

Betray: To deliver into the hands of an enemy ....

[observer]

No, I rather think that the Turkish Army came because of the repeated betrayal of constitution of the Republic of Cyprus by the GCs.

Makarios, Papadopoulos and Sampson all stand (and one of them did stand) accused.

[phoenix]

No, I rather think that the Turkish Army came because of the repeated betrayal of constitution of the Republic of Cyprus by the GCs.

Makarios, Papadopoulos and Sampson all stand (and one of them did stand) accused.

Now if the TCs left and went to live in Turkey (if they were worried for their safety tish!) . . . then that would have been an understandable thing to do.

By staying and bringing the enemy into the country . . . . FOR WHATEVER EXCUSE . . . then that indisputably is the correct use of "betray".

The fact that the whole invasion has been summarily decreed as illegal FURTHER COMPOUNDS the crime of betrayal by the TCs.

Happy ? .....

[T_C]

If you wanted to turn Cyprus into Greece then its you who should of left to go live in Greece.

By bringing the enemy INTO the country....FOR WHATEVER EXCUSE....LET ALONE to annex the country. then that was nothing short of treason!

[observer]

You beat me to it T_C.

And as for:
"The fact that the whole invasion has been summarily decreed as illegal FURTHER COMPOUNDS the crime of betrayal by the TCs. "

The intervention by Turkey has been declared legal, and by an Athens court too - and you don't get more impartial than that.

And rather than a definition from a dictionary (I have one too) perhaps phoenix could say exactly how she thinks TCs brought "the enemy" into the country. No TC I knew had a plane or a large fleet of ships.

[Piratis]

If you wanted to turn Cyprus into Greece then its you who should of left to go live in Greece.

By bringing the enemy INTO the country....FOR WHATEVER EXCUSE....LET ALONE to annex the country. then that was nothing short of treason!

What you forget T_C is that we didn't want to "turn" Cyprus into anything. We just wanted the invadors to stop opressing us and restricting our self-determination, so Cyprus could be what it really is: Another Greek island. Cypriots speak Greek for 1000s of years, they are Greek Orthodox, previously believers of the 12 Gods of Olympus (one of which was Cypriot), and follow the Greek traditions and culture. How much more Greek could it be?

The fact that we were under the Ottomans for 4 centuries doesn't make Cyprus less Greek. The Ottomans occupied Athens and most other Greek territories for 5 centuries. Neither the fact that the Ottomans created a Turkish minority on our island makes Cyprus less Greek. Such minorities where created in many other Greek territories, and many other countries that the Ottomans occupied (e.g. Bulgaria has 12% Turkish minority).

If you are referring to the 1974 coup, that was done against the will of Cypriots and against our elected president who has actually condemned the coup at the UN after he barely managed to escape death. The great great majority of Greek Cypriots have never sided with the Junta of Athens or the coupists. Many GCs died trying to defend democracy in those days. On the other hand the TCs fully colaborated with the illegal and criminal Turkish invadors, and they continue doing so today.