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TPap fools the GCs and the TCs big time.

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Postby zan » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:41 am

Get Real! wrote:I’m not even going to waste my breath to point out the MYRIAD of injustices the AP had in store for the GC people and instead will simply ask everyone this…

Hands up those of you who believe that Turkey would honor her signatures for an incredibly complex plan that was designed to span for a period of TWENTY odd years before completion and especially in light of the fact that Turkey could not even honor her simple ports agreement with the RoC during a tense period when she was trying to “impress” the EU for membership?

So are we, the Greek Cypriots, impressed by Turkey’s cooperation and word of honor thus far?

HELL NO!

I rest my case.


what a crock of shit.....This line is so old now..the Annan plan would have bee a solution in which case Turkey would have had no choice even if she were as devious as you try to make her out to be...(To much sleeping with Tpap has warped your mind as to how people really behave) Without a solution and an agreement why the hell should we do anything you want us to....Come to the table and sit like a man and not the twisted freak that is Tpap, and find a solution or give us back our rights under the Zurich agreement......And we are to trust what you say.......HELLO...NO!!!!!
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:44 am

Well Zan February is not far away. If any of the other two candidates win your side will have a chance to show its sincerity. THen we will see who who can sit around the table like a man without any twisted freaks to ruin the party.
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Postby zan » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:47 am

Nikitas wrote:Well Zan February is not far away. If any of the other two candidates win your side will have a chance to show its sincerity. THen we will see who who can sit around the table like a man without any twisted freaks to ruin the party.


Lets hope so and at the same time the new leader does not follow the freaks same freakish plans.....
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Postby Piratis » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:10 am

People said they rejected plan because they didn't like the fact not every single GC refugee could return home and that the majority who could would have to wait several years before doing so.


That was just one of the many reasons.
The plan actually allowed for the majority of refugees to return,and because of a huge territory swap in the GCs favour, most of those returnees would be under a GC administration.


"Huge" Territory swap? Huge? Is this person for real? What was returned to us was a mere 7% of land, an insignificant fraction of what was stolen from us. What was truly huge was the land that the 18% TC minority would get to keep for themselves, which would be almost twice as much than what legally belongs to them.

They also didn't like that Turkish troops would remain on the island "Indefinitely". This wasn't as radical as it sounded. The final version of the plan was simply a reiteration of the agreement made at independance in 1960 which allowed 650 Turkish troops and 950 Greek troops to be permanently based on the island


The 1960 agreement also talked about a unitary state and several other things. Funny how some people think that it is OK for Greek Cypriots to give up the few rights they had with the 1960 agreements, but for Turks, TCs and British not only they should not make any compromises but gain even more on our loss.


The plan actually made provisions for a giood portion of the Turkish settlers to return to Turkey, and it strictly controlled further Turkish immigration


So the plan made provisions for a good portion of illegally brought Settlers to stay in our country, therefore legalizing this crime of war against the Geneva Convention.


The largest sacrifice in the plan would have been made by the Turkish Cypriots: In order to allow the GCs to reclaim their properties a third of them would have to move from their homes.....


"Their properties"??? Somebody should tell to this pro-Turk asshole that the properties the Turks stole from us are not "theirs" but OURS.

The Annan plan was a partition plan that:
1) Officially gave almost 1/3rd of our country to the Turks

2) Created two separate puppet states, both controlled by UK/Turkey. If now Cypriots can have a country, albeit butchered, with the Annan plan we would have no real country at all. The "central goverment" would have very little power, and even then, the deadlocks that the Turks would create would resolved by foreign judges. Cypriots would loose all control.

3) We would have drop all cases from ECHR. Unlike now that Turkey is responsible not only to give to us our land back, but to also compensate us for the decades they illegally kept our land under occupation, with AP not only many refugees would not get their land back, but any compensations would have to be paid from us to us. Turkey wouldn't pay a cent.

This are just a few of the negatives of the Annan partition plan that was rushed days before Cyprus entered in EU not to solve the problems of Cypriots, but to solve the problem that Turkey would have with Cyprus entering the EU.

It was a plan made by UK/USA/Turkey for UK/USA/Turkey. Not for Cypriots. We are the people of this island, and we will fight until we are allowed to decide in a democratic way our own constitution and the destiny of our own island.
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Postby zan » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:19 am

Piratis wrote:
People said they rejected plan because they didn't like the fact not every single GC refugee could return home and that the majority who could would have to wait several years before doing so.


That was just one of the many reasons.
The plan actually allowed for the majority of refugees to return,and because of a huge territory swap in the GCs favour, most of those returnees would be under a GC administration.


"Huge" Territory swap? Huge? Is this person for real? What was returned to us was a mere 7% of land, an insignificant fraction of what was stolen from us. What was truly huge was the land that the 18% TC minority would get to keep for themselves, which would be almost twice as much than what legally belongs to them.

They also didn't like that Turkish troops would remain on the island "Indefinitely". This wasn't as radical as it sounded. The final version of the plan was simply a reiteration of the agreement made at independance in 1960 which allowed 650 Turkish troops and 950 Greek troops to be permanently based on the island


The 1960 agreement also talked about a unitary state and several other things. Funny how some people think that it is OK for Greek Cypriots to give up the few rights they had with the 1960 agreements, but for Turks, TCs and British not only they should not make any compromises but gain even more on our loss.


The plan actually made provisions for a giood portion of the Turkish settlers to return to Turkey, and it strictly controlled further Turkish immigration


So the plan made provisions for a good portion of illegally brought Settlers to stay in our country, therefore legalizing this crime of war against the Geneva Convention.


The largest sacrifice in the plan would have been made by the Turkish Cypriots: In order to allow the GCs to reclaim their properties a third of them would have to move from their homes.....


"Their properties"??? Somebody should tell to this pro-Turk asshole that the properties the Turks stole from us are not "theirs" but OURS.

The Annan plan was a partition plan that:
1) Officially gave almost 1/3rd of our country to the Turks

2) Created two separate puppet states, both controlled by UK/Turkey. If now Cypriots can have a country, albeit butchered, with the Annan plan we would have no real country at all. The "central goverment" would have very little power, and even then, the deadlocks that the Turks would create would resolved by foreign judges. Cypriots would loose all control.

3) We would have drop all cases from ECHR. Unlike now that Turkey is responsible not only to give to us our land back, but to also compensate us for the decades they illegally kept our land under occupation, with AP not only many refugees would not get their land back, but any compensations would have to be paid from us to us. Turkey wouldn't pay a cent.

This are just a few of the negatives of the Annan partition plan that was rushed days before Cyprus entered in EU not to solve the problems of Cypriots, but to solve the problem that Turkey would have with Cyprus entering the EU.

It was a plan made by UK/USA/Turkey for UK/USA/Turkey. Not for Cypriots. We are the people of this island, and we will fight until we are allowed to decide in a democratic way our own constitution and the destiny of our own island.


Showing your self up again Piratis and I will show you how with just one point...The rest is just rubbish rhetoric that you are always spewing out.... :roll:




Huge amounts of land is wht you keep telling us that we took from you so if the majority of refugees return to their homes from day one then that is a huge amount of land...Show me where in the Annan Plan it says only 7%...Then talk again big boy....What a bullshitter :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Piratis » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:33 am

Zan, you are more ignorant that I believed you are. Even those refugees that would be allowed to return* would not be allowed from "day one", but over a span of several years. On the contrary from day one the TCs would get all the benefits of the AP.

About the 7%, Turks now keep about 37% of land and with Annan plan they would keep about 30%. Do the math, I hope you can do that at least.

* "would be allowed to return" does not equal "would return". Very few people would return to their homes under Turkish occupation. Those people constitute the majority of that (like every other) part of Cyprus, so why the hell should they be ruled by Turks? We are not in the times of the Ottoman empire.

What we want is our freedom in our own island and we will fight for what is just and right. Your minority can and should have every human and democratic right like every other minority in the world, but you have no right to rule over any part of our country against the will of the great majority of Cypriots.
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Postby zan » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:34 am

Piratis wrote:Zan, you are more ignorant that I believed you are. Even those refugees that would be allowed to return* would not be allowed from "day one", but over a span of several years. On the contrary from day one the TCs would get all the benefits of the AP.

About the 7%, Turks now keep about 37% of land and with Annan plan they would keep about 30%. Do the math, I hope you can do that at least.

* "would be allowed to return" does not equal "would return". Very few people would return to their homes under Turkish occupation. Those people constitute the majority of that (like every other) part of Cyprus, so why the hell should they be ruled by Turks? We are not in the times of the Ottoman empire.

What we want is our freedom in our own island and we will fight for what is just and right. Your minority can and should have every human and democratic right like every other minority in the world, but you have no right to rule over any part of our country against the will of the great majority of Cypriots.


Show me in the Annan Plan or shut up with your lies.....Simple request.... :roll:
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Postby Piratis » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:37 am

Show you what? Don't you know how much % Turks illegally occupy today, you don't know how much % the Turks would keep with the AP, or you don't know math? What exactly you want me to show you?
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Postby zan » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:40 am

Piratis wrote:Show you what? Don't you know how much % Turks illegally occupy today, you don't know how much % the Turks would keep with the AP, or you don't know math? What exactly you want me to show you?


One Third of the TC population will be loved out to accommodate the majority of GC refugees...You do the math...Vast amounts of land to go back to GC administration.....Show me were in the Annan Plan it says anything different...You can't can you so you resort to lies and hen squirm your way through.....SHOW ME!!!! If You have read it and can back up your statement the you will not have a problem going straight to it....SHOW ME!!!!
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:41 am

That's right boys keep flogging the dead horse in case it tries to rise again... :lol:
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