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[humanist]

I don't agree. The international community aint' about to grant a piece of European territory to any invader and occupier fascist State.

[cypezokyli]

assuming they do reach a settlement, there is no way that we ll say no this time

[conmarios]

Why not I will say NO a hundred times If I have to if the settlement they reach is not the correct one.
In demogracy I know that every person has one vote and NO MORE.

[roseandchan]

andros, how can you loose something you don't already have? does cyprus not belong to all cypriots? the talk of whats mine and whats yours, is the sort of talk that partitions are made of. are the talks not about a free cyprus for all cypriots? i hope both sides can move on and see what is best for cyprus and its people. a no vote from either side will leave cyprus stuck in another rut for god knows how many years.

[CopperLine]

If a new plan is negotiated and after it is has passed the first test - its acceptability to Turkey (all the ultra GCs are convinced that Turkey is the source and solution of the Cyprus problem) - it then has to pass the referendum test. According to these self-same ultras, TCs will do what Turkey tells them to do, so if the plan gets to the point of referendum then TCs will vote in favour, not against. This leaves GCs : if they vote in favour then fine; but if they vote against then another thirty years of de facto partition will follow.

These current negotiations are the last chance saloon, whether you're an ultra or not.

[roseandchan]

copperline, i feel it would be such a shame if cyprus missed this opportunity. i don't believe either side will be 100% happy as there are so many difficult issues involved. but at some point cyprus needs to move on, i hope this will be that point.
do both sides need to be 100% happy with the proposals put forward or would they accept something like 80% happy and be willing to say yes and give it a try?

[Nikitas]

Roseandchan said:

"how can you loose something you don't already have?"

a statement which proves you do not understand the Cypriot mindset. Read the story of Lambousa.

Famagusgta will always be mine because that is where my family originated. No matter how long it takes it will be in my possession again some day, this is the Cypriot mindset. It comes from countless generations surviving countless conquests. The identity of the conqueror is irrelevant. It is an attitude common to other large Mediterranean islands, not unique to Cyprus. Ask anyone who has lived in Crete, Sicily, Sardenia, Corsica.

Any solution which does not take this attitude into account will fail in the long run. The idea this time is to have a solution that takes the mindset into account.

[repulsewarrior]

...looking through the topics, another where there are people i'd like to say, merry christmas to, in this season of reflection and hope.

cheers!

[Get Real!]

These current negotiations are the last chance saloon, whether you're an ultra or not.

No wonder Copperline left the forum... it was his last chance to convince us!

All the "last chance" peddlers have vanished!

[Sotos]

Funny how everybody thought that there would be another shitty plan like the Annan plan soon after we rejected it Did Andros and some others thought that our politicians were so stupid to allow a second referendum for something that GCs wouldn't approve? Of course that would be very bad for us ... so why would any president agree for such thing? Even "Yes Man" Anastasiades realized that he couldn't do such thing!