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[Dîrî]

Hahaha and not to mention the ironed hair and the unnecessarily extreme make up, while trying to pull of some folk dance moves on high heels, they look more like a sad attempt of a show off with western wannabe outfits fusion with weird "traditional" clothes, in reality they are far from looking traditional, or maybe that is the actual Kurdish tradition who knows. Also is she waving an Italian flag in her hand?
Diri are you any of these fine young ladies in the photo by any chance?

Judging by the people in the back i am assuming this somewhere in Europe?

Is that too many questions? Im sorry

1) Those ARE traditional Kurdish clothes...
2) She is waving the Kurdish flag:


3) No - I am not...
4) This is in Sweden...
5) No - you hardly asked any - you were more busy spreading prejudice...

Here are some Kurdish girls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqtfoUofgYw

Diri
Does the sun in the centre have anything to do with the Vergina star (or sun) of Alexander the Great of Macedonia?

(I can't count how many points it has because it is waving around. The Vergina Star has 16 though.)

Although there are many signs and remnants of Hellenic influence (and vice-versa) in Kurdistan - the blazing sun in the Kurdistan flag isn't one of those... The sun in the flag has 21 rays - representing the 21st of March - which is Newroz = Kurdish New Year. The sun itself is related to the indigenous religion of the Kurds - in which the sun and fire were two central elements...

In Colemêrg, where I'm from - there are ruins from forts etc. from the Hellenic invasion... Many Kurds (especially in Colemêrg) have Greek forefathers - as is the case with myself...

Congratulations on your noble ancestry. You are much blessed Diri.

Your cause is now my cause! . . . . united by a common enemy.

Thank you - you too, surely... I'm lucky to be of a mixed background - I have Greek, Assyrian and Kurdish in my family history...

You know the Dorians, of course?

Hint: my nick...

[phoenix]

Just one example of why I don't trust the word of Turkey, and why a lot of countries merely "humour" or pay lip service to them:

...... what pressure, if any, is the international community bringing to bear on the Turkish Government to end the widespread abuse inflicted on its own citizens? The member states of the UN and the Council of Europe pretend to be pushing hard for progress on human rights and the Turkish Government pretends to be responding.

The governments of the international community have preferred to leave the protection of Turkish citizens' human rights entirely to the discretion of the Turkish state. Foreign governments are well informed about the extent of human rights violations in Turkey, through information supplied by their embassies and by human rights monitoring bodies of inter-governmental organizations, as well as by domestic and international non-governmental organizations.

Despite the urgency of the situation, however, the international community has been reluctant to turn expressions of concern into action. The Turkish Government, for its part, acts as if its appalling human rights record was no more than a public relations problem.

[shahmaran]

But Diri, "traditional" means a custom that is carried from generation to generation, if this "custom" changes all the time then it ceases to be a "tradition", unless of course your tradition is to change all the time, in which case that does not mean anything since that's what we all (humans) do anyways, may i ask how old you are Diri if you don't mind?

And could i please see your sources on the incident of the Turks using biological weapons against the Kurds, thank you.

[Dîrî]

But Diri, "traditional" means a custom that is carried from generation to generation, if this "custom" changes all the time then it ceases to be a "tradition", unless of course your tradition is to change all the time, in which case that does not mean anything since that's what we all (humans) do anyways, may i ask how old you are Diri if you don't mind?

And could i please see your sources on the incident of the Turks using biological weapons against the Kurds, thank you.

You are good at putting things into a funny context, you know that?

Of course the point was: since Kurdish clothes are used on a daily basis - they are fashionable - and fashion craves cutting edge - new fabrics etc...

Look at Victorian British clothes - nobody wears them today in Britain - but they are the traditional British clothes (closest you'll come to any at all) - and they were fashionable - changing through time...

Same thing applies to Kurdish clothes... There are modernized versions like the ones of the girls in my signature - but still: they are true to tradition - except for choice of fabric...

Just look at Indian clothes... Same thing there...

And no "tradition" is static - in that there is NO change at all...

No - you may not ask me about my age - as that is of no buisness to you or anybody else here... Why would you care anyway?

I'm sorry, I don't have any source on the net (I do - but can't remember where) - but you can read David McDowall's book "A Modern History of The Kurds" - or - if you find Erlend Folkevord's book: "Past, People and Future: Kurdistan"...

[shahmaran]

Diri, I just think you are a funny one, so i was curious that's all, its no big deal (obviously it is for you), i have never discussed anything political with a Kurdish person before so i find you interesintg

I honestly have never seen any "modernized traditional" clothes because i think that's just an oxymoron in itself, everyday clothes have nothing to do with it and i don't think Victorian clothes are exactly traditional, they were the fashion of that certain era which slowly evolved, hence why you don't see the Queen dress in such way anymore. On the other hand i am not surprised that you don't have any sources on the matter other than a few books, i can assure you i can find a lot more books on the matter contradicting your claims, would you find them credible? People don't JUST kill people, the Kurds did side with enemy forces during the times just like the Armenians did and massacred many Turkish villages as well, and then they turn around and cry genocide. Its just too easy for people to blame everything on the Turks regardless of the hypocrisy involved, i mean just look at the GCs, if they had succeeded with their Enosis and genocidal agendas, no one today would have even remembered that the TCs had ever existed, yet since they have not, they have the luxury to sit around and blame the Turks with whatever they can get their hands on, it is just absolutely ridiculous.

[Dîrî]

If you still haven't figured the fashion bit yet - then I suggest you start drawing parallels between Kurdish and Indian fashion... Maybe THEN you will understand...

As for that other political wish wash - I'm realy not interested in that... I'm more interested in solutions and problem solving than in squabbling over past done and did...

[shahmaran]

Indian traditional clothes have not changed in thousands of years, the contemporary stuff however does evolve and it is influenced from their traditions which has already been established, either you have no clue about what these girls are wearing or they don't.

That "wish wash" you are referring to was an answer to Greek Forumer who claims otherwise, but this problem you want to solve is still causing many many deaths around Easter Turkey and cannot be just simply ignored unfortunately, it has to be properly understood for one to construct a solution for it and the PKK terrorists are definitely not helping, on the other hand life must be pretty sweet for you over there in Sweden so i can understand your will for the ignorant approach towards the situation...

[Get Real!]

hey sparky, has the teacher ever been punished/sacked and the kids reinstated?...

That's an excellent nick name for Zanny!

[Dîrî]

Indian traditional clothes have not changed in thousands of years, the contemporary stuff however does evolve and it is influenced from their traditions which has already been established, either you have no clue about what these girls are wearing or they don't.

That "wish wash" you are referring to was an answer to Greek Forumer who claims otherwise, but this problem you want to solve is still causing many many deaths around Easter Turkey and cannot be just simply ignored unfortunately, it has to be properly understood for one to construct a solution for it and the PKK terrorists are definitely not helping, on the other hand life must be pretty sweet for you over there in Sweden so i can understand your will for the ignorant approach towards the situation...

Now listen here, you little wiseguy...

Here I am trying to ignore your INSULTS and OFFENSIVE language - hoping you'll take a HINT - and in return I get MORE offensive and repulsive language...

You don't know SHIT about Kurdish culture or anything Kurdish - so just suck it up...

There is contemporary Kurdish, just as Indian - and there is traditional Kurdish - but whenever INDIAN something is presented to the outside world - it's always "traditional Indian" - and rightly so it IS... The same way, Kurdish things are Kurdish and traditionally anchored - how else would they be "Kurdish" and not PERSIAN or TURKISH or ARABIC!!!?

Just apply a little logics instead of your evident jealousy...

So you're a TC with no traditional clothes and no history and no nothing... So go bark somewhere else...

Because I am not taking that redundant attitude of yours... I have no deserved it - nor have I been confrontational as YOU are now...

A Greek forumer who claims WHAT "otherwise"? You adressed ME... Now either apologize for being confrontational - or for not being clear in your post as to who you were adressing...

I called it "WISH WASH" because I disagree with your "facts" and your "history". And I thought instead of confronting that - perhaps it's better to just focus on solutions and end the squabbling once and for all...

After all - nobody will get anywhere discussing who's what or from where or how they got there or whatever! We are where we are and we should work from where we stand. Going back to peek into history should be a way of learning from the past and how things should be handled in the currect situations - but not as the focus of who deserves what or that kind of mumbo-jumbo...

Oh and saying that Indian clothes have not changed in "thousands of years" is utter CRAP...

You don't know anything about Indian clothes or Kurdish clothes... Why don't you stick to what you actually DO know something about?

[GreekForumer]

i mean just look at the GCs, if they had succeeded with their Enosis and genocidal agendas.

How can you say in other threads there is "no evidence" that Turks Genocided Armenians despite the fact that Turks murdered Armenians in the 100s of thousands in 1894-96 and 10s of thousands in 1909. In 1915 Turks forced Armenian women and children and elderly to march across Anatolia without sufficient transport or food or water or shelter. Why did some of these convoys go in circles ? Why did some of these convoys bypass townships where they could get life giving sustenance ? And then Turkish leaders claim they died by accident ? And those Armenian women and children who were "relocated" to the bottom of the Black Sea? I suppose that is not evidence for Genocide but "massacres carried out by private citizens". Even the Germans, your WW1 buddies (and witnesses to the crimes), say a Genocide occurred. Did you read about the Genocide resolution in the USA ? Even those politicians that voted AGAINST the resolution, CONCEDED a Genocide occurred but they did not want to upset the Turkish Ally.


Having said that,
What is your evidence GCs has "Genocidal agendas" ?
Are you saying the GC leftists had a Genocidal agenda ?
Or was it just the coupists that had a "Genocidal agenda" ?
Coupists are a minority, right ? That's why they have to do coups, right ?

Maybe the coupists were only interested in declaring and securing Enosis. Maybe the coupists would have to kill the TC leadership to pacify the ordinary TCs. (As Turkey did to the GCs in 1822 or the Kurds in 1920s). Maybe the coupists would ban Turkish language, schools, newspapers, etc and henceforth call TCs "Mountain Greeks". Maybe they would have told the TCs that if they did not want to become citizens of Greece they they could pack their bags and leave. (As Turkey did to the Alexandrettans in 1939). Maybe they could have introduced RACIST and DESTRUCTIVE laws on TCs, like an OUTRAGEOUS wealth tax intended to IMPOVERISH and (most importantly!) CRIMINALISE the TC tax payer.(Like Turkey did to Greeks during WW2). Perhaps turn TC areas into OPEN PRISONS. This list can go on. There are many ways to get rid of TCs. GCs can look to Turkey for inspiration.

Anyway,
What is your evidence GCs wanted to rid Cyprus of ALL TCs ?
What is your evidence GCs would get rid of them by Genocide ?