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Postby Nikitas » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:27 am

After the statements by Soyer that there never was an agreement between AKEL and RTP Christofias said something never said before, he gave the journalists a bit of news- that in 1996 there had been a meeting of the political committees of the two parties, in which there were some common lines drawn, which included repatriation of all settlers, a unitary state, one nationality, BBF, rejection of separate self determination. He said that Soyer (he called him by his first name Ferdi) had backtracked in his most recent statements.

He also said that AKEL has kept a dialoge going with Turkish Cypriot politicians.
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:45 am

Well, what many people do not know is that RTP (CTP) was a branch of AKEL until 1996 when Ozgur was replaced at the leadership of the party. In fact AKEL funded CTP until 1996, but the Turkish Cypriot Party, under the new leadership of Nadji Talat, broke away from AKEL and Nadji Talat (no relation to Mehmet Ali Talat) said the following remarkable "we will not become the tin (mastrappa) attached to the tail of the cat (kattou, in perfect Cypriot dialect), or in Greek "Δεν θα γινούμε μαστραππάς στο νούρο του κάττου..."

He meant that the decisions of the politburo of AKEL were no longer applicable to CTP and in the light of this, one can understand Christofias who keeps asking CTP on a regular basis, to return to their old self and policies.
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Postby zan » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:54 am

Tassos spills the wrong beans on Bildt
By Leo Leonidou
THE SWEDISH embassy was yesterday put in the awkward position of correcting President Tassos Papadopoulos over comments he made regarding the country’s foreign policy.

Papadopoulos raised eyebrows in diplomatic circles on Sunday by announcing that Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeld told him Foreign Minister Carl Bildt is not following the country’s position regarding the Cyprus problem.

According to the President, Reinfeld made the comment during a phonecall between the two leaders.

Behind the scenes, Stockholm has informed Nicosia that its policy on direct trade is constant and formulated by the Swedish government’s Foreign Ministry. They added that there are no disagreements, labelling Papadopoulos’ comments as “unfortunate”.

Commenting, Swedish Ambassador to Nicosia Ingemar Lindahl yesterday told the Mail that a trip by Cyprus Foreign Minister Erato Kozakou-Marcoulli to Stockholm planned for December 18 has since been postponed.

“Sweden has one common foreign policy, decided by the government and executed by the Foreign Minister. Any other interpretation is unfounded,” he said.

The issue is apparently over attempts to establish direct trade with Turkish Cypriots. According to Papadopoulos, Reinfeld told him that it was his Foreign Minister who wants direct trade with the north and not the government of Sweden.

The Cypriot President also said that it was also well-known that former Prime Minister Bildt has always maintained that direct trade would help the Turkish Cypriots economically and would therefore help with the reunification of the island.

However, the Swedish government, along with the governments of several other member states, consider the EU regulation over trade with the north can’t just disappear as it’s a vital issue in bargaining between the EU, Cyprus and Turkey as regards the latter’s EU accession hopes.

Ankara has been trying to link direct trade between the north and the EU with its obligation to open ports and airports to Cypriot vessels.

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Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2007



The UN hate him and one by one the rest of the world is realising what he really is and wants...There is to be no deals made with this crook and murderer and his intentions are clear. Total control of Cyprus as a Greek state.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:11 am

zan wrote:The UN hate him and one by one the rest of the world is realising what he really is and wants...There is to be no deals made with this crook and murderer and his intentions are clear. Total control of Cyprus as a Greek state.

What so many of you don't seem to realize is that all three candidates will adopt a similar stance once elected. The RoC can never recognize the "TRNC" in any way or form so you can stop wasting your time blaming the world's problems on TP. Any notion that the other candidates are planning to "save" the Turkish Cypriots is crap so don't believe pre-election propaganda by those eager to get the top job and nothing else.
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Postby zan » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:14 am

Get Real! wrote:
zan wrote:The UN hate him and one by one the rest of the world is realising what he really is and wants...There is to be no deals made with this crook and murderer and his intentions are clear. Total control of Cyprus as a Greek state.

What so many of you don't seem to realize is that all three candidates will adopt a similar stance once elected. The RoC can never recognize the "TRNC" in any way or form so you can stop wasting your time blaming the world's problems on TP. Any notion that the other candidates are planning to "save" the Turkish Cypriots is crap so don't believe pre-election propaganda by those eager to get the top job and nothing else.


We know that GR but that does not change the fact that you guys still want to elect a crook right next to our republic.... :evil: :evil:
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:06 am

No GR, there is no chance a small country like ours can produce two Papadopoulos's in the same generation. Papadopoulos has been telling lies right from day one he became President and there has never been another President like him and there will never be another like him. We have to do with a compulsive liar it seems and the people that applaud him, like yourself, make me wonder whether they just do not see this or whether they wear blinkers in order to allow their party patriotism to override their rationality.

Papadopoulos is playing a dangerous game that among else has created stupid xenophobia among the people in this era of globalisation. He portrays himself as the lone ranger, fighting the mean foreigners who are doing their best in order to destroy us. Country after country is classified as belonging to the villain club and after Sweden, I wonder which will be the next country to become a member of this exclusive club. Meanwhile we are consolidating our position as the laughing stock of Europe.
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Postby EPSILON » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:14 am

Bananiot wrote:No GR, there is no chance a small country like ours can produce two Papadopoulos's in the same generation. Papadopoulos has been telling lies right from day one he became President and there has never been another President like him and there will never be another like him. We have to do with a compulsive liar it seems and the people that applaud him, like yourself, make me wonder whether they just do not see this or whether they wear blinkers in order to allow their party patriotism to override their rationality.

Papadopoulos is playing a dangerous game that among else has created stupid xenophobia among the people in this era of globalisation. He portrays himself as the lone ranger, fighting the mean foreigners who are doing their best in order to destroy us. Country after country is classified as belonging to the villain club and after Sweden, I wonder which will be the next country to become a member of this exclusive club. Meanwhile we are consolidating our position as the laughing stock of Europe.


More or less the above describe the picture of Gcs leadership as same is viewed by foreigners. The point is whether this is the result of TAP policy only or -unfortunately-is a general way all of our leaders making policy?

The problem is that the most of European and American politicians do not have a real picture of what axactly Gcs consider a fair and reasonable solution.

I am one of these who do not blame TAP about his position for Annan plan since ,i still have the hope, that his policy for this certain subject was decided by all Greeks and Greek Cypriots politicians in order they achieve the membership in EU. I hope I am right,otherwise we are facing a mapet show.
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Postby EPSILON » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:19 am

Get Real! wrote:
zan wrote:The UN hate him and one by one the rest of the world is realising what he really is and wants...There is to be no deals made with this crook and murderer and his intentions are clear. Total control of Cyprus as a Greek state.

What so many of you don't seem to realize is that all three candidates will adopt a similar stance once elected. The RoC can never recognize the "TRNC" in any way or form so you can stop wasting your time blaming the world's problems on TP. Any notion that the other candidates are planning to "save" the Turkish Cypriots is crap so don't believe pre-election propaganda by those eager to get the top job and nothing else.


Very correct- please record the other two canditates speaches before the election and compare same with their real policy after the election- you will find huge similarities with TAP's policy . The reason? Gcs leadership-all of them - have no policy on Cyprus problem-
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:10 am

Bananiot wrote:No GR, there is no chance a small country like ours can produce two Papadopoulos's in the same generation. Papadopoulos has been telling lies right from day one he became President and there has never been another President like him and there will never be another like him. We have to do with a compulsive liar it seems and the people that applaud him, like yourself, make me wonder whether they just do not see this or whether they wear blinkers in order to allow their party patriotism to override their rationality.

Papadopoulos is playing a dangerous game that among else has created stupid xenophobia among the people in this era of globalisation. He portrays himself as the lone ranger, fighting the mean foreigners who are doing their best in order to destroy us. Country after country is classified as belonging to the villain club and after Sweden, I wonder which will be the next country to become a member of this exclusive club. Meanwhile we are consolidating our position as the laughing stock of Europe.



Now I understand why GR turned down my challenge. :lol: :lol: GR will be the next Minister of Losers :lol: (Oops, sorry, wrong thread)
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Postby observer » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:54 am

EPSILON wrote:
Very correct- please record the other two canditates speaches before the election and compare same with their real policy after the election- you will find huge similarities with TAP's policy . The reason? Gcs leadership-all of them - have no policy on Cyprus problem-


I never thought that I'd be in such complete agreement with Epsilon, but you're right.

GC leaders have no real policy because what they really want (unity government under permanent GC control) is unachievable, and if they started asking for it the international community would rapidly move in favour of the TCs. The other solution (BBF) is unacceptable to them, but they have to keep making all the right noises that they are in favour of it while doing their best to make sure that it never happens.
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