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[insan]

The biggest issue the GC's face is the mistrust of Turkey. That is our biggest perceived problem, not the TC's.

- Turkey(actually Turkish side in consensus) agreed to gradually return %8 of the occupied land.

- Turkish side agreed to gradual return of GC refugees, up to %33.

- Turkish side agreed to gradual reduction of military power on both sides of the Island.

- Turkish side agreed to share of the legislative power "equaly" by two communities.


What else do you want from Turkey to trust her?

I think it would be very easy for us to work together with the TC's but when you have Turkey essentially controlling much of what goes on in the north (much of it behind the scenes I may add) then how can we move on? How can we build trust? Turkey needs to show us that we can trust her and she has to make a big concession towards us in order to show it. And before you say opening the gates, that was a concession to the TC's that were demonstrating rather than for us

This is a wrong perception. TC leadership and Turkey have a common strategy about the solution of Cyprus problem in basic parameters of Annan Plan; that is built upon 3rd Vienna Agreement, 77 summit, 79 high level agreements and UN resolutions.

[Realist]

Insan, this is just a question, but why can't everyone go back home TC and GC alike?

[erolz]

Insan, this is just a question, but why can't everyone go back home TC and GC alike?

Because for some people 'home' is the same place. If you had been obliged to leave one home 30 years ago, through no direct fault of your own, and spent the last 30 years building a new home in a new place, investing in it emotionaly and fincially how you you then feel at being told - you must go back home (and in some cases back to a home that no longer exists)? For many years 'home' for many TC consisted of tent cities in enclaves that represented around 3% of the area of Cyprus. Not a home I would be keen to return too any time soon.

[insan]

Insan, this is just a question, but why can't everyone go back home TC and GC alike?

It would be really great if everone have agreed to go back to their homes.

However,

1- The biggest obstacle in front of return of all refugees is TCs security concerns.

2- A percentage of TC land and properties were ruined both during the inter-communal violence and and afterwards 1974 up until present time.

3- All of the TCs have established and developed a new life for themselves in last 30 years. Do you think it has been easy for TC refugees to establish their new life in North.

4- Now after 30 years of fruitless negotiation process towards solution of Cyprus problem; TC refugees are being asked return to their pre-74 enclaves.


realist, now tell me what's the feasibility and rationality of asking TCs to return their pre-74 enclaves?

I have no problem if they agree to return their pre-74 enclaves and I think some 3000-5000 TCs would chose to return in the first 5 years after an agreed solution. But I don't think majority of TCs would accept returning their pre-74 enclaves.

[Saint Jimmy]

Saint Turkey will sign when good and ready not before.

I think this is like a soap opera, i.e. lots of fuss for nothing. Turkey will sign the protocol but it will not recognize RoC and this signature is not going to change anything on the island in terms of a solution.

ΟΚ, yes, that's what I think, too. What troubles me, though, is why is Turkey currently refusing to sign it? Or why hasn't she signed it yet?
It seems to me that it might not be as simple as 'she signs, she says she doesn't recognize, and that's that'. Because, let's not forget, the EU urged Turkey about a month back to have it signed at the end of March (March, was it?), and apparently Turkey has not taken the EU up on that...
Could they be stalling, in case they get a chance to avoid it?

[-mikkie2-]

Signature of protocol means:

1. Cyprus can request overflight rights for civilian aircraft
2. Cypriot registered vessels can dock in Turkish ports

This will be the first thing Cyprus will do when Turkey signs, because the 17th Decemebr decision did not just say signature but also implementation of the protocol.

Will Turkey refuse entry and overflight rights? If she does then be sure that Turkey will not have an easy ride in Europe and in all probablity accession negotiations will not start. Look at what happened to Croatia.

[Saint Jimmy]

Signature of protocol means:

1. Cyprus can request overflight rights for civilian aircraft
2. Cypriot registered vessels can dock in Turkish ports

This will be the first thing Cyprus will do when Turkey signs, because the 17th Decemebr decision did not just say signature but also implementation of the protocol.

Will Turkey refuse entry and overflight rights? If she does then be sure that Turkey will not have an easy ride in Europe and in all probablity accession negotiations will not start. Look at what happened to Croatia.

So how is Turkey not starting accession talks good for the RoC?
Or, how is Turkey allowing flights and ships into its airspace and ports going to help the solution negotiations?

Why are we after any of the two

[boulio]

erolz said:

I have GC friends. I consider some of the GC posters here friends as well. I find siginifcant numbers of them reasonable, logical, fair and sincere most of the time.

Then there is the small minority (some of which are not even Cypriot) that are none of these things imo. That so few can do so much damage at the expense of so many others is sadly almost a one line history of Cyprus.

does anyone hear violins?

[cannedmoose]

Or, how is Turkey allowing flights and ships into its airspace and ports going to help the solution negotiations?

It probably won't on it's own, but it'll make the flight from the UK about 20 mins shorter

[-mikkie2-]

So how is Turkey not starting accession talks good for the RoC?
Or, how is Turkey allowing flights and ships into its airspace and ports going to help the solution negotiations?

Why are we after any of the two

Of course it will help, because at the end of the day Cyprus is actually in a position to affect Turkish policy with the EU. In the short term it might not be a good thing for the RoC but in the long term it does force Turkey to remove her head from the sand and actually start engaging with Cyprus to solve all the issues.