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[Viewpoint]

BigDutch

All TC's want partition and this is the true target of the "TRNC" and its overal direction ?

Why the suprise, the partition has physically been in effect for nearly 31 years, the recognition of partition appears to be gaining momentun as time elapses and TCs see the negative attitude of GCs towards a solution that basically results in reducing TCs to a minority status in GC dominated United Cyprus.

[BigDutch]

Why the suprise

I thought that majority TC's and GC's wanted unification not partition.

...TCs see the negative attitude of GCs towards a solution that basically results in reducing TCs to a minority status in GC dominated United Cyprus.

i`m sure that you have typed incorrectly. If what you say is true then GC's are negative to a situation that TC's also don't want ?

[Viewpoint]

BigDutch wrote;

I thought that majority TC's and GC's wanted unification not partition.

TCs have and are gradually losing the desire for reunification (me included) although as far as i can workout GCs want reunificaiton but only on their terms that means we will be reduced to a minority, as i remember you are one of those GCs. It is this stance that TCs are seeing more clearly and the time wasting and arrogant tactics of the GC administration are adding to the momentum of TCs moving more and more towards recognition of partition. Time will work in partitions favour.

I think that maybe a bit clearer.

If this momentum is to be thwated the GC administration have to take measures that will encourage TCs to work with them on specific issues that will encourage both communities to learn to trust each other. this is just my opinion and likelihood of this ever happening is very remote.

[BigDutch]

...as i remember you are one of those GCs ...

not really i`m born 'n bred in London ... my blood comes from ireland/belgium/greece/england .... I married 3rd generation UK GC but I have no political "power" in Cyprus.

... If this momentum is to be thwated the GC administration have to take measures that will encourage TCs to work with them on specific issues that will encourage both communities to learn to trust each other.

I put it to you that every proposal by either side is dismissed by the other one .... your thoughts ?

[Piratis]

Viewpoint, as far as I know, you votes "yes" to the Annan plan, right?

So what I propose will give to you what you wanted: A bicomunal, bizonal federation with two communities that will have political equality. So whats your problem? Isn't this what you wanted?

[cannedmoose]

Are you serious ??!?

All TC's want partition and this is the true target of the "TRNC" and its overal direction ?

A bit of a sweeping generalisation and an incorrect one in my experience talking to TCs. Also, from what I recall, the decision to declare the TRNC was highly controversial at the time amongst TCs and was essentially railroaded through by Denktaş.

[Viewpoint]

BigDutch

I put it to you that every proposal by either side is dismissed by the other one .... your thoughts ?

To date yes you are right but we have to start somewhere, if the TCs & GCs formed a lobby committee they could asert pressure on the administration of both communities to support confiidence building "projects". In my opinion we should start with the relocation of TCs out of Omorfo to a new settlement area in anticipation of a solution. GCs & TCs could work on the project together from financing to building. If sucessful this would be an example of how the 2 communities could work together and lead onto other confidence building projects such as Varosha/Maras. What do you think about confidence building measures and how can we activate them???

[BigDutch]

What do you think about confidence building measures and how can we activate them???

I think the only way to reach a settlement is through many confidence building measures. As more and more measures are successfull the final goal of "unification" becomes closer.

However confidence building measures need to involve both sides of the green line, if one side goes off and does its own thing then it will not improve confidence of other side.

[BigDutch]

A bit of a sweeping generalisation and an incorrect one in my experience talking to TCs.

Viewpoint said this :

" .... that partition is the only real alternative that we can agree on. Its just taking GCs longer to realize this, we can wait another 30 40 50 years until you guys see the light.

The use of "we" to me says all TC's.

[Viewpoint]

BigDutch

The use of "we" to me says all TC's.

You will always get differing opinions in a society but when I refer to we I mean people who think along the same lines as myself I cant talk for the whole community. (I apologise if it is causing confusion)

I respect cannedmooses comments as he resides in the UK and is far more optimistic than many TCs who live on the island. Somewhere along the line reality really kicks home and you come to accept that there is no common ground and that the 2 communities have mountains between them they just cannot climb, takes some people longer than others.