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[paaul12]

Just got back home in Catalkoy from an evening out in Kyrenia, its raining buckets load. It didn't keep people locked in their homes. Restaurants full, people smiling and spending their hard earned cash.

Everybody is celebrating the future.

2008, the year of the TCs.

yippieeeeeeeee yi A

[zan]

What a garbage response!

You know, GR, reacting to posts in that kind of matter shows that you are simply taking refuge in bluster, rather than directly responding to the issue, which makes you look rather foolish. In any case, The RoC depends upon the UN reinforcing the view that the TRNC is an outlaw entity, which is of course used by the RoC to justify the imposition of isolation strategies in the form of embargoes and boycotts, though in the language of 'so-called' to show that it is the north's own fault. The UN Sec-Gen, by stating that there is no 'so-called' in these isolations, has shown that the UN does not agree with the RoC strategy. If you think that this observation is wrong, then tell me - and the other readers - why, without having to resort to a smear campaign, which seems to be your usual strategy as of late. Disagreeing with me is one thing. Dis-ing me because of my observations and opinions is another.

Ditto!!!

[zan]

Just got back home in Catalkoy from an evening out in Kyrenia, its raining buckets load. It didn't keep people locked in their homes. Restaurants full, people smiling and spending their hard earned cash.

Everybody is celebrating the future.

2008, the year of the TCs.

yippieeeeeeeee yi A

And I'll second that......

[Get Real!]

What a garbage response!

You know, GR, reacting to posts in that kind of matter shows that you are simply taking refuge in bluster, rather than directly responding to the issue, which makes you look rather foolish.

Think TWICE before you label GR "foolish" for you have conveniently avoided this:

The UN passed COUNTLESS resolutions that Turkey saw and still sees fit to ignore and here you are having a premature ejaculation running down your pants over something that ignorant Ban Ki Moon MAY have SAID!

Since when does Turkey or the TC community respect what the UN says or does?

[Nikitas]

isolation, embargoes, and other emotive terms do not reflect the daily goings on which include-

TCs selling in the south, under special rules imposed on the RoC by the EU regarding the VAT payments (which must be made in an EU country). TCs work in the south in their thousands and take their wages home, if an embargoo was in force they would have to bank that money in the south (this is the meaning of embargo0. TCs are able to start a business in the south and a few have done so. They also receive all the social benefits of residents of the RoC.

How do all the above fit in with embargo and isolation is a bit of a puzzle. Now if we look at the scene from the other side- GCs may not work, trade, reside in the north and obviously they may not enjoy any welfare benefits there. So who is putting an embargo on whom here?

[zan]

isolation, embargoes, and other emotive terms do not reflect the daily goings on which include-

TCs selling in the south, under special rules imposed on the RoC by the EU regarding the VAT payments (which must be made in an EU country). TCs work in the south in their thousands and take their wages home, if an embargoo was in force they would have to bank that money in the south (this is the meaning of embargo0. TCs are able to start a business in the south and a few have done so. They also receive all the social benefits of residents of the RoC.

How do all the above fit in with embargo and isolation is a bit of a puzzle. Now if we look at the scene from the other side- GCs may not work, trade, reside in the north and obviously they may not enjoy any welfare benefits there. So who is putting an embargo on whom here?

The amount of times you repeat that and I answer

You have no choice because of the conditions imposed on you through the EU that YOU signed up to. The Embargoes are with the TRNC/KKTC and the majority of people that live there. Just because you let a few people in to do your dirty work just to satisfy the EU does not make it an open border as in the people that went to claim their property in the south...No claim until a settlement. have the people that had their houses built on got a penny????They are treatedas aliens and well you know it..they are not citizens of the "RoC".

[Nikitas]

Whether it is done by choice or not, the fact remains that the TCs enjoy freedom of movement, trade and employment in the south, which proves that there is no embargo as the word is understood in legal terms. Embargo means stopping people from doing any of those things.

If the RoC does these things because it has to, then the TRNC does not do them for what reason? Where is the mutuality in this deal?

Trade is open too, and the EU took the initiative to enable the TC chamber of commerce to issue certificates of orgin for goods traded from the north. The only restriction is as to which port will be used. Hardly an embargo. The chamber of commerce daily certifies goods that are sent and sold to the south, but it refuses to certify goods for export through Limassol and Larnaca ports.

The TRNC wants to open and operate ports and airports and that is what is in dispute, again, hardly an embargo. All tourists who arrive in the south can visit the north with no restrictions, goods imported in the south regularly cross over to the north (building materials mostly). So where is the embargo?

Embargo would be if the RoC stopped supplies, tourists, services from reaching the north and erfused to import antyhing from there.

[Nikitas]

We signed up to the EU. So does that mean the TCs do not want to be in the EU? Or does it mean that they take all the benefits offered by membership and refuse all of the responsibilities? So far it looks like the second is the more accurate.

[zan]

Whether it is done by choice or not, the fact remains that the TCs enjoy freedom of movement, trade and employment in the south, which proves that there is no embargo as the word is understood in legal terms. Embargo means stopping people from doing any of those things.

If the RoC does these things because it has to, then the TRNC does not do them for what reason? Where is the mutuality in this deal?

Trade is open too, and the EU took the initiative to enable the TC chamber of commerce to issue certificates of orgin for goods traded from the north. The only restriction is as to which port will be used. Hardly an embargo. The chamber of commerce daily certifies goods that are sent and sold to the south, but it refuses to certify goods for export through Limassol and Larnaca ports.

The TRNC wants to open and operate ports and airports and that is what is in dispute, again, hardly an embargo. All tourists who arrive in the south can visit the north with no restrictions, goods imported in the south regularly cross over to the north (building materials mostly). So where is the embargo?

Embargo would be if the RoC stopped supplies, tourists, services from reaching the north and erfused to import antyhing from there.

You are playing with words now...hardly an embargo...The education system is not recognised and the goods are not allowed out unless they are approved by the "RoC' and through their ports. We are not represented in any sporting or any other type of contest. hardly embargoes does not cut it I am afraid

[Nikitas]

Those are not elements of an embargo, they are elements of recognition.