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[Viewpoint]

.....good reason for Turkey to intervene and a good reason today as we have solved shit and still face the same prejudicies and discrimination look at Phoenixs comments which are the truth about how GCs think about TCs and why a united Cyprus will never happen.

Well how can you argue that Turkey's invasion and continued presence was justified if as you admit they solved shit

Viewpoint, I do agree with you that comments from people like Phoenix reinforces certain stereotypes about Greeks. But the fact remains that the presence of such a large number of troops in the north of Cyprus makes a mockery of the 1983 UDI. That major factor alone ensures that no recognition will be forthcoming.

utu you are almost the lesser fool.

Do you realise your continual racial stereotyping of me is making me think your are less and less an integrated Canadian . . . since the Canadians I am familiar with are PC at the very least.

And to both of you . . . my hate of the Turks was only ignited by their constant unjustified attacks on my country.

As for TCs . . . well my best friend from 1971 to 1974 was TC. Then one day she came to school wearing a necklace that said "Baby Cyprus belongs to Mother Turkey". The friedship ended there!

Now VP and utu, go fuck yourselves, scum of the Earth, bringing your mother Turkey to my country and keeping her there.

They brought a peaceful existence to the whole island something which you could never do and prosperity to boot, they gifted you a recognized GC state where you rule supreme, the reason why we have not solved jack shit is your intransigence towards sharing and seeing us as equal communities, you have confirmed not one but many times that you represent the true GC face by honestly revealing that you want a GC island where we TCs have no community rights, you consider us non indigenous, in other words foreigners in our own country.

I will leave your last comment to the GCs to comment on, as a measure of their sincerity towards abuse being hurled at TCs who happen to have a different viewpoint.

[phoenix]

.....good reason for Turkey to intervene and a good reason today as we have solved shit and still face the same prejudicies and discrimination look at Phoenixs comments which are the truth about how GCs think about TCs and why a united Cyprus will never happen.

Well how can you argue that Turkey's invasion and continued presence was justified if as you admit they solved shit

Viewpoint, I do agree with you that comments from people like Phoenix reinforces certain stereotypes about Greeks. But the fact remains that the presence of such a large number of troops in the north of Cyprus makes a mockery of the 1983 UDI. That major factor alone ensures that no recognition will be forthcoming.

utu you are almost the lesser fool.

Do you realise your continual racial stereotyping of me is making me think your are less and less an integrated Canadian . . . since the Canadians I am familiar with are PC at the very least.

And to both of you . . . my hate of the Turks was only ignited by their constant unjustified attacks on my country.

As for TCs . . . well my best friend from 1971 to 1974 was TC. Then one day she came to school wearing a necklace that said "Baby Cyprus belongs to Mother Turkey". The friedship ended there!

Now VP and utu, go fuck yourselves, scum of the Earth, bringing your mother Turkey to my country and keeping her there.

They brought a peaceful existence to the whole island something which you could never do and prosperity to boot, they gifted you a recognized GC state where you rule supreme, the reason why we have not solved jack shit is your intransigence towards sharing and seeing us as equal communities, you have confirmed not one but many times that you represent the true GC face by honestly revealing that you want a GC island where we TCs have no community rights, you consider us non indigenous, in other words foreigners in our own country.

I will leave your last comment to the GCs to comment on, as a measure of their sincerity towards abuse being hurled at TCs who happen to have a different viewpoint.

. . . same again VP and utu. You deserve each other

The blind leading the misguided.

[Viewpoint]

.....good reason for Turkey to intervene and a good reason today as we have solved shit and still face the same prejudicies and discrimination look at Phoenixs comments which are the truth about how GCs think about TCs and why a united Cyprus will never happen.

Well how can you argue that Turkey's invasion and continued presence was justified if as you admit they solved shit

Viewpoint, I do agree with you that comments from people like Phoenix reinforces certain stereotypes about Greeks. But the fact remains that the presence of such a large number of troops in the north of Cyprus makes a mockery of the 1983 UDI. That major factor alone ensures that no recognition will be forthcoming.

utu you are almost the lesser fool.

Do you realise your continual racial stereotyping of me is making me think your are less and less an integrated Canadian . . . since the Canadians I am familiar with are PC at the very least.

And to both of you . . . my hate of the Turks was only ignited by their constant unjustified attacks on my country.

As for TCs . . . well my best friend from 1971 to 1974 was TC. Then one day she came to school wearing a necklace that said "Baby Cyprus belongs to Mother Turkey". The friedship ended there!

Now VP and utu, go fuck yourselves, scum of the Earth, bringing your mother Turkey to my country and keeping her there.

They brought a peaceful existence to the whole island something which you could never do and prosperity to boot, they gifted you a recognized GC state where you rule supreme, the reason why we have not solved jack shit is your intransigence towards sharing and seeing us as equal communities, you have confirmed not one but many times that you represent the true GC face by honestly revealing that you want a GC island where we TCs have no community rights, you consider us non indigenous, in other words foreigners in our own country.

I will leave your last comment to the GCs to comment on, as a measure of their sincerity towards abuse being hurled at TCs who happen to have a different viewpoint.

. . . same again VP and utu. You deserve each other

The blind leading the misguided.

Thank you.

[phoenix]

.....good reason for Turkey to intervene and a good reason today as we have solved shit and still face the same prejudicies and discrimination look at Phoenixs comments which are the truth about how GCs think about TCs and why a united Cyprus will never happen.

Well how can you argue that Turkey's invasion and continued presence was justified if as you admit they solved shit

Viewpoint, I do agree with you that comments from people like Phoenix reinforces certain stereotypes about Greeks. But the fact remains that the presence of such a large number of troops in the north of Cyprus makes a mockery of the 1983 UDI. That major factor alone ensures that no recognition will be forthcoming.

utu you are almost the lesser fool.

Do you realise your continual racial stereotyping of me is making me think your are less and less an integrated Canadian . . . since the Canadians I am familiar with are PC at the very least.

And to both of you . . . my hate of the Turks was only ignited by their constant unjustified attacks on my country.

As for TCs . . . well my best friend from 1971 to 1974 was TC. Then one day she came to school wearing a necklace that said "Baby Cyprus belongs to Mother Turkey". The friedship ended there!

Now VP and utu, go fuck yourselves, scum of the Earth, bringing your mother Turkey to my country and keeping her there.

They brought a peaceful existence to the whole island something which you could never do and prosperity to boot, they gifted you a recognized GC state where you rule supreme, the reason why we have not solved jack shit is your intransigence towards sharing and seeing us as equal communities, you have confirmed not one but many times that you represent the true GC face by honestly revealing that you want a GC island where we TCs have no community rights, you consider us non indigenous, in other words foreigners in our own country.

I will leave your last comment to the GCs to comment on, as a measure of their sincerity towards abuse being hurled at TCs who happen to have a different viewpoint.

. . . same again VP and utu. You deserve each other

The blind leading the misguided.

Thank you.

You're welcome!

Will it be a big fat Turkish or Canadian wedding?

[utu]

I'm not the one making it plain, Phoenix; you are. It is obvious that the word 'debate' does not exist in your lexicon. The stereotype that I was referring to is not race so much as demeanor. Greeks in general tend to have a very rigid mindset, which as a result makes communicating and debating with very difficult. Therefore, any person whom Greeks disagree with is reacted to very disproportionately. And unfortunately, Phoenix, that's precisely what you are doing with me. It doesn't matter to you, or people like GR that I don't support independence for TRNC. All that you concern yourselves with is my 'crime' that I think that the Turkish Cypriots have been unfairly treated, and that's enough to make me an enemy of Cyprus. Pretty pathetic reaction, really. Oh, and I never saw 'Big Fat Greek Wedding', but if there are sterotypes of this sort there, then it kind of reinforces what I am saying.

[Kikapu]

one thing has to be understood TCs do not want recognition at any cost .

I saw this earlier today, and could not stop thinking about it. So what I want to know from you is, what cost are you willing to pay to have a recognised state of your own,

a) able to rule yourself

b) to be able to administer justice as you wish

c) to become respectable member of the UN

d) your neighbours not hate you

e) anything and everything that any country that enjoys Freedom, Liberty and Democracy.

Don't tell me what you will not do, because those I already know. As of now, to solve the problem between the GC's and the TC's, what will you offer to do, in order to have your own Independent State from the RoC. I just want to know whether or not you are capable of having your own Independent State and at what price, because if you are not willing to pay towards what you want, then it is no use making arguments and complaints of the GC's for not agreeing on peace thus far. This is not a trick question. So once again, what price would you pay to satisfy all those whom are involved in the Cyprus problems to have your own Independent State.

[phoenix]

I'm not the one making it plain, Phoenix; you are. It is obvious that the word 'debate' does not exist in your lexicon. The stereotype that I was referring to is not race so much as demeanor. Greeks in general tend to have a very rigid mindset, which as a result makes communicating and debating with very difficult. Therefore, any person whom Greeks disagree with is reacted to very disproportionately. And unfortunately, Phoenix, that's precisely what you are doing with me. It doesn't matter to you, or people like GR that I don't support independence for TRNC. All that you concern yourselves with is my 'crime' that I think that the Turkish Cypriots have been unfairly treated, and that's enough to make me an enemy of Cyprus. Pretty pathetic reaction, really. Oh, and I never saw 'Big Fat Greek Wedding', but if there are sterotypes of this sort there, then it kind of reinforces what I am saying.

Phoenix, I should let you know something: There is a prevailing stereotype in Canada and the United States about Greek women. It's not a pleasent one, yet your comments on this forum are doing more to reinforce, then dispel it.

These are just two recent posts by you to me. They have one thing in common.

They are not debates.

They are racist and sexist moans and groans.

If you want me to debate with you, kindly reciprocate.

[utu]

If you want me to debate with you, kindly reciprocate.

Start talking in a civilized manner and I'll do likewise. And if we disagree on any issues, we talk it out, not devolve into character assasinations. Canadians tend to be rather blunt, but we also place stock on good manners - at least until we get provoked.

[utu]

Utu,

You have it right about the troops in the north. Not only there are 40 000 soldiers, but their posture is an offensive one, in military terms. They have 400 tanks, as many APCs and their exercise scenarios involve attacking and taking over more territory. In their joint army-navy-air force exercises the scenarios call for the surrounding of CYprus and severing communications between Greece and the island. The GC national guard can field 80 tanks, no navy and about ten helicopters.

Any one can see that the message for the south is that it is hostage of Turkey. For the rest of the world the message is that Turkey calls the shots in the area. And people like VP do not see this but call this setup a "deterrent".

Nikitas, The preponderence of forces is rather more than is needed purely as a defensive force. Turkey's proximity to Cyprus makes reinforcing the north a very simple matter, so having 40,000 troops there already really makes no sense for the obstensive reason of deterring an attack from the South. 10,000 turkish troops AT A MAXIMUM would have been ample for that goal.

Viewpoint, Accepting your argument that the Turkish Forces have stopped the resumption of the intercommunal violence, why do you think that so many troops are needed to do so? 40,000 is a rather high number compared with what the RoC has. It gives the appearence that the Turkish Troop presence is occupational, rather than protective.

[Viewpoint]

one thing has to be understood TCs do not want recognition at any cost .

I saw this earlier today, and could not stop thinking about it. So what I want to know from you is, what cost are you willing to pay to have a recognised state of your own,

a) able to rule yourself

b) to be able to administer justice as you wish

c) to become respectable member of the UN

d) your neighbours not hate you

e) anything and everything that any country that enjoys Freedom, Liberty and Democracy.

Don't tell me what you will not do, because those I already know. As of now, to solve the problem between the GC's and the TC's, what will you offer to do, in order to have your own Independent State from the RoC. I just want to know whether or not you are capable of having your own Independent State and at what price, because if you are not willing to pay towards what you want, then it is no use making arguments and complaints of the GC's for not agreeing on peace thus far. This is not a trick question. So once again, what price would you pay to satisfy all those whom are involved in the Cyprus problems to have your own Independent State.

The biggest stumbling block appears to be land, I would return between 8-10% of land and allow the GCs who want their land back in the TRNC to live with us, I and many TCs would be willing to allow GCs back if that was their desire or pay compensation to those that did not.