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[Get Real!]

the turk has finally exposed itself.

Humanist, like GR, you have such a narrow mindset. I am neither Turk nor Cypriot. I am Canadian, and I'm proud of that. And like most Canadians, I have a definite sense of right and wrong. Turkish military occupation is wrong, but so are the efforts of Tassos Papadopoulos to undermine and quarantine the north. Reconciliation is not going to occur under those conditions. Understand?

Liar! You're an ATCA TC... there's nothing wrong with that Utu but why can't we be honest about it?

[Get Real!]

...but so are the efforts of Tassos Papadopoulos to undermine and quarantine the north.

If Turkey is militarily PREVENTING the RoC’ authority from being implemented in the northern section of Cyprus then how can you possibly make such a daft statement?

[Expatkiwi]

Don't like Utu making such comments? Tsk-Tsk.

[utu]

Expatkiwi, please don't fight my battles for me. While GR has erred badly in thinking I'm a T/C, he is right about some things. Think about it: Turkey justified its intervention in 1974 on the Treaty of Guarantee. Perhaps that is right, but the fact that Turkey retained it's troop presence after the Sampson coup collapsed invalidated that justification. The North's presumption to independence is therefore a mockery due to the continued presence of those troops, regardless of the feeling of the Turkish Cypriot people themselves.

In regards to you GR, you are sounding like a chekako when you make presumptions about my nationality. In case you don't know what that word means, come to Canada and find out.

[Get Real!]

In regards to you GR, you are sounding like a chekako when you make presumptions about my nationality. In case you don't know what that word means, come to Canada and find out.

I wouldn't have a clue what that is although I suspect it's an animal but anyway... perhaps you yourself are not a TC but is married to one.

[Viewpoint]

Expatkiwi, please don't fight my battles for me. While GR has erred badly in thinking I'm a T/C, he is right about some things. Think about it: Turkey justified its intervention in 1974 on the Treaty of Guarantee. Perhaps that is right, but the fact that Turkey retained it's troop presence after the Sampson coup collapsed invalidated that justification. The North's presumption to independence is therefore a mockery due to the continued presence of those troops, regardless of the feeling of the Turkish Cypriot people themselves.

In regards to you GR, you are sounding like a chekako when you make presumptions about my nationality. In case you don't know what that word means, come to Canada and find out.

utu as my signature states there was a good reason for Turkey to intervene and a good reason today as we have solved shit and still face the same prejudicies and discrimination look at Phoenixs comments which are the truth about how GCs think about TCs and why a united Cyprus will never happen.

[utu]

I'm single, GR. FYI, a chekako is a greenhorn. In other words, a person who is out of his element. And when it comes to determining nationality, you certainly fit that description.

Viewpoint, I do agree with you that comments from people like Phoenix reinforces certain stereotypes about Greeks. But the fact remains that the presence of such a large number of troops in the north of Cyprus makes a mockery of the 1983 UDI. That major factor alone ensures that no recognition will be forthcoming.

[Viewpoint]

I'm single, GR. FYI, a chekako is a greenhorn. In other words, a person who is out of his element. And when it comes to determining nationality, you certainly fit that description.

Viewpoint, I do agree with you that comments from people like Phoenix reinforces certain stereotypes about Greeks. But the fact remains that the presence of such a large number of troops in the north of Cyprus makes a mockery of the 1983 UDI. That major factor alone ensures that no recognition will be forthcoming.

utu its really a weigh off between a deterrent and returning back to the 1960s. Without the Turkish Army which in a recent poll in the north was the most trusted body, the GCs would attempt stupid actions that could coat many lives, even on this forum GC fanatics display what they would do if given the opportunity.

utu one thing has to be understood TCs do not want recognition at any cost they want more than anything a peaceful existence, security and a say in their future, if this means having our post go via Turkey or sitting on a plane for a further 45 minutes or having one less holiday a year, then all well and good its well worth it.

Of course this does not mean we will not point our side of the story across and challenge the accusations thrown at us by the other side and demand to be treated as equal world citizens, if a relaxation of the measures the impose isolation on us is what the EU and UN claims they will do then we will say no but over the past 4 years lots of promises have not been kept so TCs do not have high expectations and are not stupid as to expect recognition in the near future but if the current GC policies continue this will be more than enough to take us in the right direction.

[Nikitas]

Utu,

You have it right about the troops in the north. Not only there are 40 000 soldiers, but their posture is an offensive one, in military terms. They have 400 tanks, as many APCs and their exercise scenarios involve attacking and taking over more territory. In their joint army-navy-air force exercises the scenarios call for the surrounding of CYprus and severing communications between Greece and the island. The GC national guard can field 80 tanks, no navy and about ten helicopters.

Any one can see that the message for the south is that it is hostage of Turkey. For the rest of the world the message is that Turkey calls the shots in the area. And people like VP do not see this but call this setup a "deterrent".

[phoenix]

.....good reason for Turkey to intervene and a good reason today as we have solved shit and still face the same prejudicies and discrimination look at Phoenixs comments which are the truth about how GCs think about TCs and why a united Cyprus will never happen.

Well how can you argue that Turkey's invasion and continued presence was justified if as you admit they solved shit

Viewpoint, I do agree with you that comments from people like Phoenix reinforces certain stereotypes about Greeks. But the fact remains that the presence of such a large number of troops in the north of Cyprus makes a mockery of the 1983 UDI. That major factor alone ensures that no recognition will be forthcoming.

utu you are almost the lesser fool.

Do you realise your continual racial stereotyping of me is making me think your are less and less an integrated Canadian . . . since the Canadians I am familiar with are PC at the very least.

And to both of you . . . my hate of the Turks was only ignited by their constant unjustified attacks on my country.

As for TCs . . . well my best friend from 1971 to 1974 was TC. Then one day she came to school wearing a necklace that said "Baby Cyprus belongs to Mother Turkey". The friedship ended there!