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[zan]

I have given you facts and will you be surprised when reality hits you in the face.....Fact: I have not met a single TC that is willing to give you the island on a plate...I make that 100%......I will be generous and give you 30% of that if you like.......That still makes me right and you wrong.....You and Kiapalous are just farting in the wind...You know no TCs and have no figures so you just fart.....Drink Mint tea...It calms the stomach

[halil]

If the report is the same as the one in kibris and bayarak, then I do not belive it...need more sources coz your papers are only good for feeding the chooks...

PS...it was the swedish ambassador to turkey who said the following

Asp defended that Cyprus question had to be resolved before Turkey becomes a member of the EU, and underscored that, "EU made promises that the blockade on Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) would be removed, but failed to display this decisiveness. Sweden feels sorry for this. We made some steps but there should be more."

The ambassador said Sweden thinks that Cyprus question should be solved under the U.N. umbrella.

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=205062

All I see is diplomacy to the max...End of the day he is saying UN, like moon...lift isolations as long as they do not interfere with UN resolutions...

I mean you guys how many times you gonna hear the same thing?...Are you trying to wear them down or something?

No nation is ready to award Ethnic Cleansing...simply put the world is not as advanced as the turks...

below report is from LONDON GREEK RADİO
Lack of political will constitutes an important obstacle to progress in the Cyprus question and all parties need to show greater flexibility and greater political courage, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has said in his report to the UN Security Council on the United Nations operation in Cyprus, urging both parties on the island "to put an end to mutual recriminations."
In his report, covering developments from 26 May to 15 November 2007, Ban expressed the belief that “the upcoming year may prove to be crucial in the search for a comprehensive settlement,” and stressed that "only the required political will which translates into concrete actions would provide an opportunity for progress and possible new initiatives."

Furthermore he expressed regret "that the ongoing debate on the lifting of the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots has become one about recognition," [b]noting that "the maintenance of economic, social, cultural, sporting or similar ties or contacts does not amount to recognition" [/b]but "on the contrary, it will benefit all Cypriots by building trust, creating a more even playing field and thus greatly contributing to the reunification of the island."


Ban said that over the last six months, there has been no progress on the implementation of the 8 July 2006 agreement, "although both parties continue to publicly support the principles contained therein, namely that a comprehensive settlement will be based on a bi-zonal bi-communal federation and political equality".

"The broad outline of a solution is well known and will be based on the considerable body of work and basic agreements over established parameters already worked on over the past decades, from which either side may, indeed should, draw on in the search for a future settlement”, he said adding that “the 8 July agreement, and subsequent agreed procedural clarifications, aims to facilitate direct talks, not to block them."

"Given these realities, it is difficult not to conclude that an important obstacle to progress is currently a lack of political will to fully engage. All parties need to show greater flexibility and greater political courage. In this context, it is disappointing that the meeting between the leaders on 5 September did not produce concrete results, and was a lost opportunity for all Cypriots," Ban noted.

He welcomed a number of proposals made by both leaders containing confidence-building measures, noting that their early implementation would greatly contribute to an improvement in the atmosphere on the island. "In this connection, I would also urge both parties to put an end to mutual recriminations, as agreed between the two leaders on 8 July 2006, so as to ensure that the right atmosphere prevails," he stressed.

Ban reiterated that "the responsibility of finding a solution lies with the Cypriots themselves", noting that "all Cypriots should be encouraged to become more active in this regard. In this connection, the proposals made by the two leaders on the roles that could be played by civil society should also be taken into account.

He said it was important for all involved in the Cyprus issue to work to foster an atmosphere conducive to efforts aimed at reaching a comprehensive settlement. "In this regard, I am grateful for the support of Security Council members, as well as others concerned, for our collective efforts both in New York and on the island," he added.

The UN Secretary General said "it is regrettable that the ongoing debate on the lifting of the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots has become one about recognition. Recognition or assisting secession would be contrary to the resolutions of the Security Council. Rather, the objective of such efforts should be to engender greater economic and social parity between the sides by further promoting the development of the Turkish Cypriot community, so that the reunification of the island may occur in as seamless a manner as possible," he added.

Furthermore he noted that "the maintenance of economic, social, cultural, sporting or similar ties or contacts does not amount to recognition. On the contrary, it will benefit all Cypriots by building trust, creating a more even playing field and thus greatly contributing to the reunification of the island. It would therefore be important for all actors concerned to reframe the debate and their actions towards achieving this crucial objective in conformity with Security Council resolutions."

Ban expressed satisfaction that the Turkish Cypriot side overcame concerns regarding EU funding toward a mine-free buffer zone. "Notwithstanding this positive development, it is disappointing that discussions on the protocol governing the remaining de-mining are not proceeding as quickly as envisaged. I would therefore urge that this issue be resolved as soon as possible in order to operationalise the Turkish Cypriot and Turkish commitment to the complete de-mining of the buffer zone," he said.

Ban said he was gratified that the Committee on Missing Persons has maintained momentum and is advancing toward resolving one of the most painful aspects of the Cyprus problem and noted that the success of this bi-communal endeavour will depend on the continued and welcomed respect and restraint shown by both communities, which has allowed this humanitarian issue to proceed in a depoliticized manner. He expressed hope that the progress achieved can contribute towards closer understanding between the two communities.

As he said, during the reporting period, the Committee pursued its bi-communal project on the exhumation, identification and return of remains of missing persons and to date, the remains of over 350 individuals have been exhumed on both sides of the buffer zone by teams comprised of Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot scientists.

Over 250 remains have undergone examination at the Committee’s bi-communal anthropological laboratory in the United Nations Protected Area in Nicosia. During the months of July and August, following genetic analysis, the first sets of identifications were concluded. As a result, 57 families received the remains of their missing relatives.

Ban commended both communities for showing the necessary respect in relation to the return of the first sets of remains "a significant and sensitive moment for both communities" and encouraged all concerned to build on this momentum towards the final resolution so as to put closure to this painful issue.

In conclusion, he said that in the absence of a comprehensive settlement, he believes that UNFICYP continues to play a vital role on the island and therefore recommended that the Security Council extend the mandate of UNFICYP by a further period of six months, until 15 June 2008.

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Zan you can't analyse a simple survey...and you gave me figures?...what the hell, you still suffering from a hangover or the hooch was too good last night?

Thanks for your generocity, but this survey it was not about of whatever you were talking...It clearly said 60%tcs wanted a 2 state solution...
Facts are
1...the 40% are Cypriots, no settlers, they see a bond and reject independence for obvious reasons
2...60% voted 2 state solution, mixture of tcs and settlers

The question that was asked of you, because you disagree with any estimarions, and its not really rocket science, out of the 60%, what persentage is the settler vote?...

Can't get any simpler zan...

[zan]

Zan you can't analyse a simple survey...and you gave me figures?...what the hell, you still suffering from a hangover or the hooch was too good last night?

Thanks for your generocity, but this survey it was not about of whatever you were talking...It clearly said 60%tcs wanted a 2 state solution...
Facts are
1...the 40% are Cypriots, no settlers, they see a bond and reject independence for obvious reasons
2...60% voted 2 state solution, mixture of tcs and settlers

The question that was asked of you, because you disagree with any estimarions, and its not really rocket science, out of the 60%, what persentage is the settler vote?...

Can't get any simpler zan...

60% OF TCs That is what it says and you do not question what my government says is a TC...Can't be simpler than that....You lost the right with the murders and the oppression of my people...Can't be simpler than that......You are free to give citisenship to who you want and we have the same right to...They are TCs. They have been there for 30 years and more. It is only good for your propaganda to split us up and then you will ask us to do it again for people that live outside like me but that was the intention of the regime of Makarios in the first place. Get them out of the island and then they can have less influence.

Why don't you ask the rest of the TCs that you claim support you, to move to the "RoC"......Thought not because that would prove your bullshit.



I will tell you again that there is not a single TC that would hand the island to the "RoC" on a plate...What else do you need to know.....You think you are on a roll here but you are just farting in the wind.

[halil]

Zan you can't analyse a simple survey...and you gave me figures?...what the hell, you still suffering from a hangover or the hooch was too good last night?

Thanks for your generocity, but this survey it was not about of whatever you were talking...It clearly said 60%tcs wanted a 2 state solution...
Facts are
1...the 40% are Cypriots, no settlers, they see a bond and reject independence for obvious reasons
2...60% voted 2 state solution, mixture of tcs and settlers

The question that was asked of you, because you disagree with any estimarions, and its not really rocket science, out of the 60%, what persentage is the settler vote?...

Can't get any simpler zan...

When they do research they always choose the TC's. Otherwise results will lead them in wrong directions. It is easy to find out get in touch with TC's and talk with them but not in South . Talk with them in North. Go and visit the TC's villages and talk with them , share something with them . Don't scare their very friendly and open minded.
Also u can talk with settlers what they thing about GC's . Than share your expriencies with forum members .

[Viewpoint]

Zan you can't analyse a simple survey...and you gave me figures?...what the hell, you still suffering from a hangover or the hooch was too good last night?

Thanks for your generocity, but this survey it was not about of whatever you were talking...It clearly said 60%tcs wanted a 2 state solution...
Facts are
1...the 40% are Cypriots, no settlers, they see a bond and reject independence for obvious reasons
2...60% voted 2 state solution, mixture of tcs and settlers

The question that was asked of you, because you disagree with any estimarions, and its not really rocket science, out of the 60%, what persentage is the settler vote?...

Can't get any simpler zan...

You talk absolute crap, you obviously plucked these figures from somewhere and it looks like the sun dont shine there.

[halil]

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PS...My only comment is that your papers usually miss a lot of information...This is why I never trust what halil posts...he doesn't even bother to cross check...[/quote]


another report for u .

Parties unhappy with UN report
By Jean Christou

THE GREEK Cypriot side was yesterday not pleased with UN Secretary-general Ban Ki-moon’s comments on the so-called isolation of the Turkish Cypriots in his six-monthly report on Cyprus.

Cyprus Permanent Representative to the UN Andreas Mavroyiannis had already written a letter objecting to some statements in the report, and government spokesman Vassilis Palmas said if necessary, further representation would be made on a political level.

In his report to the UN Security Council where he recommends the extension of UNFICYP’s mandate until June next year, Ban said lifting the so-called isolation of the Turkish Cypriots did not equate with political recognition.

“It is regrettable that the ongoing debate on the lifting of the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots has become one about recognition,” Ban said.

He said recognition or assisting secession would be contrary to the resolutions of the Security Council.

Rather, the objective of such efforts should be to engender greater economic and social parity between the sides by further promoting the development of the Turkish Cypriot community, so that the reunification of the island may occur in as seamless a manner as possible, he added.

“The maintenance of economic, social, cultural, sporting or similar ties or contacts does not amount to recognition. On the contrary, it will benefit all Cypriots by building trust, creating a more even playing field and thus greatly contributing to the reunification of the island.

It would therefore be important for all actors concerned to reframe the debate and their actions towards achieving this crucial objective in conformity with Security Council resolutions,” Ban said.

Palmas said the comments were the negative aspect of Ban’s report and he attributed them to the fact that Greek Cypriots had rejected a UN settlement plan in referendum where Turkish Cypriots had accepted it.

“Our position is that we must put an end to this myth. From our point of view there is no isolation of Turkish Cypriots, either as individuals or collectively as a Turkish Cypriot community,” he said.

Despite the negativity of the comment Palmas said the report did stress that any action towards lifting the so-called isolation must be in line with UN Security Council resolutions.
In his letter of objection Mavroyiannis said: “This is something of determining importance for us”.

But he also said the report made no reference to the significance of the return of refugees and of their properties and to the consequences of the construction boom and the destruction of the cultural and religious heritage, which encumber efforts for a settlement.

Opposition politicians and parties also saw the statements as something negative for the Greek Cypriot side.

Presidential candidate and AKEL leader Demetris Christofias accused Ban of picking up comments made by his predecessor Kofi Annan in his report on Cyprus. The references to the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots were not accepted by some Security Council members, Christofias said.

“I believe the Secretary-general copied most of the paragraph of the report in May 2006…,” he said. “The report is not so satisfactory for Cyprus.”

Christofias said Cyprus never objected to trade between the north and other countries as long as the internationally-recognised Republic of Cyprus was involved.

“Any form of trade…through attempts to bypass the government will surely signify upgrading of the illegal Turkish Cypriot regime, something which the UN Secretary-general should keep in mind,” he said.

Opposition leader Nicos Anastassiades said Ban’s report constituted a new injury to Cyprus, not only because of the “rewarding” reference to the Turkish Cypriot isolation, but because Ban put equal responsibility on the two sides for the current impasse in the Cyprus issue.He said he hoped the previous government would not be blamed once again for the failings of the current administration.

Ban’s report said lack of political will was the main obstacle to progress and urged all parties to show greater flexibility and political courage. He said he was disappointed with the outcome of the September 5 meeting between the two leaders, which produced no concrete results, despite their statements of commitment to the process.

He also called on the two leaders to put an end to mutual recriminations.

“The upcoming year may prove to be crucial in the search for a comprehensive settlement,” said Ban.

“Only the required political will which translates into concrete actions would provide an opportunity for progress and possible new initiatives.”

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Despite the negativity of the comment Palmas said the report did stress that any action towards lifting the so-called isolation must be in line with UN Security Council resolutions.

ok now you are saying the same thing I said, that
1...they don't tell you the truth in the nth
2...you didn't double check the source because when you did you posted the same thing I did...check the quote form cyprus mail and the financial mirror...both contain the comment in my quote...

The question halil, why is it the newspapers in the nth do no report accurately?...what's the reason?...and why don't you always double check your stories, but rather post misleading info from the nth?...

Like the 60% tcs in the current survey...you damn well know what we are talking about, but you chose to turn a blind eye...

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Zan you can't analyse a simple survey...and you gave me figures?...what the hell, you still suffering from a hangover or the hooch was too good last night?

Thanks for your generocity, but this survey it was not about of whatever you were talking...It clearly said 60%tcs wanted a 2 state solution...
Facts are
1...the 40% are Cypriots, no settlers, they see a bond and reject independence for obvious reasons
2...60% voted 2 state solution, mixture of tcs and settlers

The question that was asked of you, because you disagree with any estimarions, and its not really rocket science, out of the 60%, what persentage is the settler vote?...

Can't get any simpler zan...

You talk absolute crap, you obviously plucked these figures from somewhere and it looks like the sun dont shine there.

look what the cat dragged in... It's Mr. I can't think for me self...Hey moron, the survey said it....60% want 2 state solution....It leaves the other 40% that don't...and out of the 60% a sizeable percentage are settlers...I wonder about your state of mind lately...

So in short stick your head up your uranus, coz the oxygen concentration is too high...

[boomerang]

Zan you can't analyse a simple survey...and you gave me figures?...what the hell, you still suffering from a hangover or the hooch was too good last night?

Thanks for your generocity, but this survey it was not about of whatever you were talking...It clearly said 60%tcs wanted a 2 state solution...
Facts are
1...the 40% are Cypriots, no settlers, they see a bond and reject independence for obvious reasons
2...60% voted 2 state solution, mixture of tcs and settlers

The question that was asked of you, because you disagree with any estimarions, and its not really rocket science, out of the 60%, what persentage is the settler vote?...

Can't get any simpler zan...

60% OF TCs That is what it says and you do not question what my government says is a TC...Can't be simpler than that....You lost the right with the murders and the oppression of my people...Can't be simpler than that......You are free to give citisenship to who you want and we have the same right to...They are TCs. They have been there for 30 years and more. It is only good for your propaganda to split us up and then you will ask us to do it again for people that live outside like me but that was the intention of the regime of Makarios in the first place. Get them out of the island and then they can have less influence.

Why don't you ask the rest of the TCs that you claim support you, to move to the "RoC"......Thought not because that would prove your bullshit.



I will tell you again that there is not a single TC that would hand the island to the "RoC" on a plate...What else do you need to know.....You think you are on a roll here but you are just farting in the wind.

heheh, generalisations flying left right and center here zan...
1...60% tcs, does not mean they are tcs...not when they just about outnumber you
2...what you have in the nth you can hardly call it a government...not when it gets ridiculed by a general...
3...if they are tcs why you feel the need to justify?...30 years and so on?
4...how do you know the settlers out of the 60% have been leaving in the nth for 30 years...can you point me to the survey that says it was asked from them?

end of the day it is simple zan...

What is the percentage of settlers out of the 60% that wanted a 2 state solution...I refrased it just to simplify it even more...

And judging by your answer I think everyone knows who the hell is farting...It ain't me zan coz I ain't dodging the question