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[Nikitas]

I am not making a case, just stating things as I perceive them. Texas fought for Enosis with the rest of the USA, you dont hear any condemnation of that as an immoral act. Enosis at the time was an acceptable ambition. It certainly does not change the nature of the EOKA as a guerrilla force.

[zan]

[quote="Nikitas"]I am not making a case, just stating things as I perceive them. Texas fought for Enosis with the rest of the USA, you dont hear any condemnation of that as an immoral act. Enosis at the time was an acceptable ambition. It certainly does not change the nature of the EOKA as a guerrilla force.[/quote]

Yes it does when you add the history and then the Megali idea to the equation...The TCs were there and the end result was known...

[BirKibrisli]

Zan...There is no point keeping our heads in the sand ,mate.
Nikitas is right when he says TMT had or tried to have complete control over the TCs from the start. As I said elsewhere in this thread,in the very first declaration/statement released by the TMT,on 29 November,1957, the target was the TC community. There was a chilling warning that anybody who stood in the way of Ya Taksim,Ya Olum (Partition or Death) would be crushed mercilessly.
This was not empty rhetoric. They soon began intimidating TCs not to cooperate with the GCs in any way. Not to join their trade unions,not to sell TC land to GCs,not to trade in anyway with the GCs...They backed up their threats by acts of terrorism,like beatings,house burnings and, in rare cases, assassinations...I take no great pleasure saying all this. But it is a fact of our sorry history...

[zan]

[quote="Birkibrisli"]Zan...There is no point keeping our heads in the sand ,mate.
Nikitas is right when he says TMT had or tried to have complete control over the TCs from the start. As I said elsewhere in this thread,in the very first declaration/statement released by the TMT,on 29 November,1957, the target was the TC community. There was a chilling warning that anybody who stood in the way of Ya Taksim,Ya Olum (Partition or Death) would be crushed mercilessly.
This was not empty rhetoric. They soon began intimidating TCs not to cooperate with the GCs in any way. Not to join their trade unions,not to sell TC land to GCs,not to trade in anyway with the GCs...They backed up their threats by acts of terrorism,like beatings,house burnings and, in rare cases, assassinations...I take no great pleasure saying all this. But it is a fact of our sorry history... [/quote]

I didn't say anything else... ..What I said is that it was a response to what was happening with EOKA and ENOSIS....If you remember I gave you the quote "He who lives by the sword"......Remember???

[denizaksulu]

Deniz,

Comparing the attitude of the two organizations, EOKA and TMT, towards the "civilians" a picture emerges. EOKA never had the ability or the power to control the GCs the way TMT controlled the TCs.

There were general directions to the population, like the boycot of British goods, but never anything like a local Mr Big who had power over the daily lives ot the people. Perhaps EOKA was too busy with the British to evolve such a controlling force, perhaps it did not want to. There were assassinations of suspected collaborators and a few beatings, but there was no permanent presence of EOKA in villages or towns to oversee daily life.

In short TMT was an instrument of policy, EOKA a guerrilla organization. I am eager to read the rest of Bir's account because it is the first time I can see this picture emerging. Once we read all of the account the conclusions we draw are not going to be flatering for either side I suspect.

The way Eoka murdered one of the most popular GC men in our village, belies this. Just because he would not fund their 'terrorist' activities. The whole GC community in our village were terrified of them.

[zan]

[quote="denizaksulu"][quote="Nikitas"]Deniz,

Comparing the attitude of the two organizations, EOKA and TMT, towards the "civilians" a picture emerges. EOKA never had the ability or the power to control the GCs the way TMT controlled the TCs.

There were general directions to the population, like the boycot of British goods, but never anything like a local Mr Big who had power over the daily lives ot the people. Perhaps EOKA was too busy with the British to evolve such a controlling force, perhaps it did not want to. There were assassinations of suspected collaborators and a few beatings, but there was no permanent presence of EOKA in villages or towns to oversee daily life.

In short TMT was an instrument of policy, EOKA a guerrilla organization. I am eager to read the rest of Bir's account because it is the first time I can see this picture emerging. Once we read all of the account the conclusions we draw are not going to be flatering for either side I suspect.[/quote]


The way Eoka murdered one of the most popular GC men in our village, belies this. Just because he would not fund their 'terrorist' activities. The whole GC community in our village were terrified of them.[/quote]

All the lies they were told about the killings being done by us instead must have stuck I am afraid

[Bananiot]

EOKA killed two fine GC's in my village in 1958. Both had large families, something like five kids each. The widow of one them took her family and went to England. EOKA killed twice as many GC's as Brits.

[DT.]

EOKA killed two fine GC's in my village in 1958. Both had large families, something like five kids each. The widow of one them took her family and went to England. EOKA killed twice as many GC's as Brits.

what had these 2 GC's done?

[Piratis]

All the lies they were told about the killings being done by us instead must have stuck I am afraid

Can't you resist saying lies Zan? In the first post of this thread I show you a video made by the British that clearly shows that TCs and TMT not only killed many GCs but they were those that started the first inner-communal conflict.

Yes, some GCs were killed by EOKA in the same way that some TCs were killed by TMT. The difference is that we recognize the fact that EOKA killed some GCs, while on the contrary you blame all your casualties on EOKA, not recognizing that TMT killed TCs as well.

The point here is that EOKA was not formed to harm TCs and it did not target TCs until TCs with TMT collaborated with the British and started to attack GCs and EOKA.

EOKA killed two fine GC's in my village in 1958. Both had large families, something like five kids each. The widow of one them took her family and went to England. EOKA killed twice as many GC's as Brits.

EOKA targeted the British and GC traitors that collaborated with the British colonialists.
The problem with EOKA was that its leader was a far right wing anti-communist and he and a few others of his kind have misused EOKA to kill people simply because they were communists.

I don't know in which of the above categories those two people in your village belonged.

Maybe EOKA was planning to kill you and they made a mistake? Or you have not been pro-British back then? I am not asking you if you were communist, because that apparently happened just a couple of months ago.

[zan]

[quote="Piratis"][quote]All the lies they were told about the killings being done by us instead must have stuck I am afraid[/quote]

Can't you resist saying lies Zan? In the first post of this thread I show you a [b]video[/b] made by the [b]British[/b] that clearly shows that TCs and TMT not only killed many GCs but they were those that started the first inner-communal conflict.

Yes, some GCs were killed by EOKA in the same way that some TCs were killed by TMT. The difference is that we recognize the fact that EOKA killed some GCs, while on the contrary you blame all your casualties on EOKA, not recognizing that TMT killed TCs as well.

The point here is that EOKA was not formed to harm TCs and it did not target TCs until TCs with TMT collaborated with the British and started to attack GCs and EOKA.

[quote]EOKA killed two fine GC's in my village in 1958. Both had large families, something like five kids each. The widow of one them took her family and went to England. EOKA killed twice as many GC's as Brits.[/quote]

EOKA targeted the British and GC traitors that collaborated with the British colonialists.
The problem with EOKA was that its leader was a far right wing anti-communist and he and a few others of his kind have misused EOKA to kill people simply because they were communists.

I don't know in which of the above categories those two people in your village belonged.

Maybe EOKA was planning to kill you and they made a mistake? Or you have not been pro-British back then? I am not asking you if you were communist, because that apparently happened just a couple of months ago. [/quote]

Have you no shame in calling the people MURDERED by EOKA traitors...

You obviously do not by the lies you tell and the half truths....'Some" GCs is just a disgraceful attempt at hiding the truth and the fact that more lies come out of your mouth as to EOKA meaning no harm to TCs is just disgusting. Try as you might you cannot separate the EOKA scum from the dream of ENOSIS and the Megali Idea. That was the intention of the GC administration and independence being the start of the removal of the Turkish Cypriots from the island.