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[utu]

I had read in some sites on the internet that TMT was formed in response to EOKA. When were both groups formed?

[zan]

I had read in some sites on the internet that TMT was formed in response to EOKA. When were both groups formed?

You were informed right utu and i would like a GC to be honest and come up with the dates and not all this rubbish about bishops and what not...The history of how the other Turkish islands were lost to the Greeks should give some an idea sa well.....They seem to want to isolate Cyprus and not see what was going on elsewhere and why the TCs acted as they did despite what Birkibrisli says elsewhere.

[Nikitas]

TMT was formed in 1958, EOKA was formed in the early 50s.

TMT was one of the actions foreseen by the KIP plan, Cyprus Regaining Plan of the Turkish General Staff. Its leader was code named Bayraktar Bozkurt and was a senior Turkish Army officer stationed in Nicosia. There were commanding officers of the TMT in every TC village and town.

TMT must have been set up with the blessings of the British, which also explains the British tolerance and immunity enjoyed by TMT members. During the period 1955-1959 any GC arrested with arms, regardless of type and quantity was hanged. Thousands of GCs were put into internment camps on suspicion of being EOKA sympathizers. During this period there was not even one arrest ot TMT people even when their victims were fellow TCs.

Despite the expressed purpose of countering Enosis TMT simply initiated partition by forcing a separation of the two communities and by punishing every TC who did not tow the line. Several TC journalists and labor union members were killed furing this time and even later, some murders occuring in the 90s.

But rather than listen to us here, why not look up writings by TC commentators like Sener Levent and others who were opposed to the tactics of the TMT.

As for the Greek islands, well I would rather be Turk living in Kos or Rodos today than a Greek from Imbros or Tenedos. The Turks are prospering and their numbers increasing, whereas the Greeks of Imbros and Tenedos have disappeared and their properties confiscated. It is northern Cyprus all over.

[Viewpoint]

TMT was formed in 1958, EOKA was formed in the early 50s.

TMT was one of the actions foreseen by the KIP plan, Cyprus Regaining Plan of the Turkish General Staff. Its leader was code named Bayraktar Bozkurt and was a senior Turkish Army officer stationed in Nicosia. There were commanding officers of the TMT in every TC village and town.

TMT must have been set up with the blessings of the British, which also explains the British tolerance and immunity enjoyed by TMT members. During the period 1955-1959 any GC arrested with arms, regardless of type and quantity was hanged. Thousands of GCs were put into internment camps on suspicion of being EOKA sympathizers. During this period there was not even one arrest ot TMT people even when their victims were fellow TCs.

Despite the expressed purpose of countering Enosis TMT simply initiated partition by forcing a separation of the two communities and by punishing every TC who did not tow the line. Several TC journalists and labor union members were killed furing this time and even later, some murders occuring in the 90s.

But rather than listen to us here, why not look up writings by TC commentators like Sener Levent and others who were opposed to the tactics of the TMT.

As for the Greek islands, well I would rather be Turk living in Kos or Rodos today than a Greek from Imbros or Tenedos. The Turks are prospering and their numbers increasing, whereas the Greeks of Imbros and Tenedos have disappeared and their properties confiscated. It is northern Cyprus all over.

Taksim was a direct reaction to Enosis, what did you expect us to do? shut up and wait for our fate at the hands of GCs, where was your calling we are all Cypriots then?? deomcracy and human rights for all??? No wonder your calls today fall on deaf ears, no one believes you are genuine or sincere.

[Natty]

Thousands of GCs were put into internment camps on suspicion of being EOKA sympathizers.

My Grandfather on my mothers side being one of them, as well as, on my fathers side, my Grandfathers brother...They were both never charged with anything..

[Nikitas]

Islands lost to the Greeks- well let us see

Ionian Islands were never occupied by the Ottomans

Cyclades were part of Greece since 1829

The northern Aegean islands were settled under the treaty of Lausanne

The Dodecanese were ceded by Italy in 1945 the Turks that lived there remain

Crete was the only case of an intercommunal conflict and that was settled by an agreement to exchange populations, something Turkey loves to do.

What were these Turkish islands you are talking about Zan? I have traveled extensively the Greek islands and there is not sign of Turkish presence, things like old Mosques, graveyards etc. Fact is the islands were barren, not very good tax sources and neglected by the Ottomans. Being posted to the islands was a punishment for Ottoman officials not a privilege.

[Nikitas]

VP et al

the question was simple- why attack civilians in peaceful neighborhoods. You are evading the questions and that shows that eiither you dont know why or you know and dont want to tell. You do not counter enosis by expelling hundreds of people from their homes as happened in 1958 in various Nicosia areas. Nor do you achieve it by stopping GC garbage collectors from picking up TC garbage. This is nonsense to say that it was done against enosis.

Enosis was the excuse, the tactics achieved something totally different. And did it with outright racist means.

[Jerry]

VP said:-Taksim was a direct reaction to Enosis,

Well VP what do you think Enosis was a reaction to? Do you think its just possible that it was seen as a defence against Turkish domination of Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

Thousands of GCs were put into internment camps on suspicion of being EOKA sympathizers.

My Grandfather on my mothers side being one of them, as well as, on my fathers side, my Grandfathers brother...They were both never charged with anything..

Eoka was ruthless terrorist who killed anyone who got in its way. Thank god for the Turkish Army.

[Viewpoint]

VP et al

the question was simple- why attack civilians in peaceful neighborhoods. You are evading the questions and that shows that eiither you dont know why or you know and dont want to tell. You do not counter enosis by expelling hundreds of people from their homes as happened in 1958 in various Nicosia areas. Nor do you achieve it by stopping GC garbage collectors from picking up TC garbage. This is nonsense to say that it was done against enosis.

Enosis was the excuse, the tactics achieved something totally different. And did it with outright racist means.

any independent sources or links???