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Postby dinos » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:06 am

Kikapu wrote:Dinos, I missed the G&T....what is it.??? :oops: :oops:


Sorry! Gin & tonic. Or substitute any other hard alcohol.

Long as I'm here, I might as well post this little gem:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/22101808/

Abby Joseph Cohen (A Goldman partner) has stated that the S&P will rise to 1675 this year (from 1338 where it presently sits). If you think about it, this really is taking the piss. She knows full well that if Lloyd doesn't like what she's doing, he'll just negate all her positions without telling her. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Kikapu » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:54 pm

dinos wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Dinos, I missed the G&T....what is it.??? :oops: :oops:


Sorry! Gin & tonic. Or substitute any other hard alcohol.

Long as I'm here, I might as well post this little gem:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/22101808/

Abby Joseph Cohen (A Goldman partner) has stated that the S&P will rise to 1675 this year (from 1338 where it presently sits). If you think about it, this really is taking the piss. She knows full well that if Lloyd doesn't like what she's doing, he'll just negate all her positions without telling her. :lol: :lol:


Dinos,

Sorry! Gin & tonic.

That was also my first though, just could not connect the dots, so thanks.

I'll read the article later. I need to run.
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Postby Johnson&Johnson » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:47 pm

hi kikapu nice to meet you !

hey dinos good to hear from you too

just got back, sort of jetlagged but feeling ok. so good to be home.

i will read those articles and post my two pennies worth once i get my act together

have a great weekend guys (with extra g&t)
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:15 pm

dinos wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Dinos, I missed the G&T....what is it.??? :oops: :oops:


Sorry! Gin & tonic. Or substitute any other hard alcohol.

Long as I'm here, I might as well post this little gem:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/22101808/

Abby Joseph Cohen (A Goldman partner) has stated that the S&P will rise to 1675 this year (from 1338 where it presently sits). If you think about it, this really is taking the piss. She knows full well that if Lloyd doesn't like what she's doing, he'll just negate all her positions without telling her. :lol: :lol:


Hi Dinos,

Abby Joseph Cohen reminds me of the "Golden years" few years ago before the Stock bubble went up in smoke, where all these unethical financial advisers were always giving rosy buy calls on most of the stocks, in particularly the ones their firms were working for. Does Arthur Anderson come to mind.?? I bet she did not predict what was going to happen last week when we had a global meltdown for couple of days and she want to predict the future. :lol:

Goldman Sachs better be careful that they too do not end up like Arthur Anderson did...in the toilet for giving useless information just to boost the market up. :idea:

Did you see the results that just came out about an hour ago for the USA's 4th quarter GDP....wait for it...0.6%. That makes it a total of 2.2% for the whole year of 2007. Care to guess what is going to be next quarter and for 2008.??

NO......I did not think so. :lol: :lol:
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Postby dinos » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:09 pm

Kikapu wrote:Hi Dinos,

Abby Joseph Cohen reminds me of the "Golden years" few years ago before the Stock bubble went up in smoke, where all these unethical financial advisers were always giving rosy buy calls on most of the stocks, in particularly the ones their firms were working for. Does Arthur Anderson come to mind.?? I bet she did not predict what was going to happen last week when we had a global meltdown for couple of days and she want to predict the future. :lol:

Goldman Sachs better be careful that they too do not end up like Arthur Anderson did...in the toilet for giving useless information just to boost the market up. :idea:

Did you see the results that just came out about an hour ago for the USA's 4th quarter GDP....wait for it...0.6%. That makes it a total of 2.2% for the whole year of 2007. Care to guess what is going to be next quarter and for 2008.??

NO......I did not think so. :lol: :lol:


Nah, they didn't see the Sunday/Monday meltdown coming. Also, nobody saw that a good part of it was SocGen trying to pick up the pieces of Kerviel's trades, and sh!tting in their pants all the while. Pathetic, really, but Uncle Ben got fooled into action, at least in part. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I did, in fact, see the 0.6% 4Q GDP number. The thing is, this number will be revised several times - and most likely down. My guess is that that 1Q will be negative. As far as 2008 goes, I don't see a recession lasting the whole year, and I see GDP growing 1.5% or less (although this is a purely anecdotal guess). The government will most likely put enough band-aids on things to avert some of the problems for a while. It'll be interesting to see what Bennie does now...
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Postby Kikapu » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:27 pm

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Kikapu wrote:Hi Dinos,

Abby Joseph Cohen reminds me of the "Golden years" few years ago before the Stock bubble went up in smoke, where all these unethical financial advisers were always giving rosy buy calls on most of the stocks, in particularly the ones their firms were working for. Does Arthur Anderson come to mind.?? I bet she did not predict what was going to happen last week when we had a global meltdown for couple of days and she want to predict the future. :lol:

Goldman Sachs better be careful that they too do not end up like Arthur Anderson did...in the toilet for giving useless information just to boost the market up. :idea:

Did you see the results that just came out about an hour ago for the USA's 4th quarter GDP....wait for it...0.6%. That makes it a total of 2.2% for the whole year of 2007. Care to guess what is going to be next quarter and for 2008.??

NO......I did not think so. :lol: :lol:


Nah, they didn't see the Sunday/Monday meltdown coming. Also, nobody saw that a good part of it was SocGen trying to pick up the pieces of Kerviel's trades, and sh!tting in their pants all the while. Pathetic, really, but Uncle Ben got fooled into action, at least in part. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I did, in fact, see the 0.6% 4Q GDP number. The thing is, this number will be revised several times - and most likely down. My guess is that that 1Q will be negative. As far as 2008 goes, I don't see a recession lasting the whole year, and I see GDP growing 1.5% or less (although this is a purely anecdotal guess). The government will most likely put enough band-aids on things to avert some of the problems for a while. It'll be interesting to see what Bennie does now...


I agree with you on next years GDP numbers. I may even dare to go a little bit lower to 1.0%-1.5% for 2008. The market was not very impressed with the additional .5% cut by the Feds, as it was already built into the market from last week with the expectation of further cuts. From here on, it is going to be one hell of a "roller coaster" ride as more houses remain unsold and foreclosures rises. Expect even more turbulent weather when the "housing market crash" makes it's way over to Europe from the States. The housing Bubble has only just started to "leak some air out". We have not heard it "POP" yet. We are only seeing the "Tip of an Iceberg" right now.

Better buckle up Dinos for a rough ride my friend..!
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Postby Johnson&Johnson » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:32 pm

Man, it's cold in Cyprus since I got back. OK, so it's not exactly Hoth-cold, but cold all the same.

0.06%. It gets worse and worse.

What can Bernanke do ?

If he keeps slashing rates = savage inflation and debasement of the currency (already happening)
If he raises rates = more massive defaults

Helicopter Ben is really living up to his moniker

It's just the beginning, as Kikapu has wisely pointed out. It's going to be a long way to the bottom and a lot of imbalances have to be unwound. Those hoping for a quick fix are in for a shock therapy.

This is the big one I think. It will make the mid-cycle recession in 2001 look insignificant, and we may even end up in a 90's Jap-style depression.

K-winter anyone?

Check it out :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmeHiFZUWtE

And :

The Pools of Riverside County

RIVERSIDE, Calif. – Look around at the still-life of half-built neighborhoods and red-tiled roofs, all so new, planted during the Miracle-Gro years when homes became A.T.M.s.

Look closer and you think you’re staring into a ghost exurb – empty homes left to bankers. This is the new America, Southern California’s affordable edge city, drowning in a sea of debt. In the Inland Empire, the eastern-most suburbs of Los Angeles, one out of every 43 households is facing foreclosure proceedings.

Peek behind the palm trees and there you see the most shocking sight: abandoned swimming pools, fetid and green, left to the elements and choked with algae. Thousands of people have walked away without even draining the water. Mosquito control agents now patrol these murky pools, treating them with pesticides to keep disease-carrying larvae from forming.

“With the skyrocketing foreclosure rate, the problem is compounding daily,” said Jared Dever, a spokesman for the government district that monitors insect breeding grounds. He said about 2,000 abandoned swimming pools would have to be treated in just one part of Riverside County.

The new year dawned with banks set to repossess more homes than any time since the Great Depression – about 2 million residences, according to various forecasts.

Is this the image of our consumptive age: the empty swimming pools of Riverside County? The epitome of middle-class life as just another cash play? People who took out loans on houses they never could afford, hoping for a quick flip, have left this squalor under the sun to the mosquito-control agents.

Or maybe we should look just to the west, to Orange County and beyond, to the half-empty glass hulks of the banks that changed the rules of lending – Ameriquest, New Century and Countrywide, now being picked over by federal investigators and civil litigants.

Ameriquest, founded in Orange County, basically invented the subprime mortgage industry, figuring out numerous ways for borderline debtors to defy gravity. Now bankrupt, they settled a lawsuit for $325 million after being accused of predatory lending practices. Their slogan was: “Proud sponsor of the American Dream.”

New Century Financial, also founded in Orange County, flew just as high. It is now bankrupt and defunct.

Countrywide, based outside San Diego, spread like a retail virus until it became the nation’s largest home-loan lender. The company chairman, Angelo R. Mozilo, could end up as the face of the subprime meltdown. Last year, while stock in his bank tanked by 80 percent in value, Mozilo sold shares worth $166 million, according to the bank’s financial reports. For the last two quarters it has reported losses in excess of $1.5 billion.

It’s an old story, not even surprising: corporate leaders say one thing to the public – we’re on a roll! — while dumping stock just as fast as they can in private. For recent history, we only have to go back to Ken Lay and Enron. The surprise is that it keeps happening, with only the corporate names changing.

Earlier this week, Mozilo said he would give up $37.5 million in severance pay. But it’s small change for a man who sold shares worth $310 million during a three-year period when most of the helium was being pumped into the housing balloon.
You may have seen Mozilo with Jim Cramer or Maria Bartiromo on television, touting the great American housing miracle. It was all good, all up, up, up. Flip and roll. No man with without a mortgage. Mozilo said every American who wanted to buy a home should be able to do so, and Countrywide made it nearly as easy to get a mortgage as ordering fries at the takeout window.

I knew something had drastically changed a few years ago when I saw a man with an advertising sandwich board standing at a busy intersection in Los Angeles; the board said, “Re-fi now – guaranteed low rates.” The banker as virtual squeegee man.
Now, you sense a meanness around the abandoned swimming pools of Riverside County. “Perhaps now we’ll see a removal of the low-class types,” wrote one man in a reader post for the North County Times, a Southern California newspaper.
“Too many house-flippers. Maybe they’ll be burger-flipping now,” wrote another.

Riverside County, stretching from Orange County to the Arizona border, is nearly the size of New Jersey. It added more than half million people in the last six years. Four years ago, this was Bush Country, with Republicans winning nearly all of the 100 fastest-growing counties in America, places like Loudoun County, Virginia, or Douglas County, Colorado.
Now, if you want to find some of the highest foreclosure rates in the country, you go the places where exurban America is pushing into farm fields and forests. In 2005 there were 12 home foreclosures in Loudoun County. Last year, more than 600.

Any fix to this mess won’t be easy. President Bush has proposed a plan. Democrats say it doesn’t go far enough. Who will get the blame, the backhand from those new homes filled with new voters?

People who bet their pensions, their savings, their college funds on something that seemed so safe now look at these wrecks on the banking frontier and wonder: what were we thinking?

It’s obvious what we were thinking, all of us – homeowners, appraisers, brokers, buyers, bankers. We were all in on the bet.
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Postby dinos » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:38 pm

I agree, J&J and Kikapu - especially with NFP -18000 for January and large downward revisions for 2007, the trouble is only starting. BTW, the BLS overstated jobs growth by some 14% in '07; I guess that goes to show how hard it is to whip up these numbers in real time. Especially when the government's interest lies in making things seem as rosy as possible.

While the gov't may be able to avoid severe conditions near term, there's only so much they can do and haven't got enough fingers for the holes in the dam that are popping up. What's really interesting, though, is that there are so many folks out there that think everything is fine. I guess every market needs fools that capitulate only after staying in way too long and losing their shorts. Buy high, sell low - how else can anyone be a real patriot?!

But hey - the government is going to borrow more money to send people some $600-1200 each so that they can go out and buy stuff (and, dare I say, hope that they buy stuff that's more expensive than their handout and go further into debt). I think Cramer called it the "iPod in every pocket bailout plan." :lol: :lol: Typical thinking - when they realize they've dug everyone into a hole, they dig harder.

Look at the bright side, though: pawnbrokers are doing fantastically well! <For those not familiar, pawnbrokers are places you go to sell jewelry so that you can pay bills, etc. They will typically sell you your items back at the cost of the loan, plus a fee which can reach 300%. A great way to take advantage of people's misery.> No matter which way you cut it, 300% is a great profit - people must be really in the sh!t to do this. Honestly, this is such a mercenary investment that you have to laugh.
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Postby Johnson&Johnson » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:18 pm

man I remember during the last recession in the UK, pawnbrokers sprang up all over the place. talk about a growth business ! except they were called 'Cash Converter' stores and other such nonsense

debt collectors were also a growth industry. i did a bit of that for a while, but i never really had the stomach for it. i'm too soft i guess.

hey Jim Puplava is predicting a US depression in 2010:

http://www.netcastdaily.com/broadcast/f ... 105-3a.asx

Interesting stuff - he thinks stocks will go higher after a low in March

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Postby dinos » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:04 am

Johnson&Johnson wrote:man I remember during the last recession in the UK, pawnbrokers sprang up all over the place. talk about a growth business ! except they were called 'Cash Converter' stores and other such nonsense

debt collectors were also a growth industry. i did a bit of that for a while, but i never really had the stomach for it. i'm too soft i guess.

hey Jim Puplava is predicting a US depression in 2010:

http://www.netcastdaily.com/broadcast/f ... 105-3a.asx

Interesting stuff - he thinks stocks will go higher after a low in March

Regards to all


The paycheck cashing places are a hoot too. And doing just as well at the moment, if not even more morally dubious than the pawnbrokers.

For some reason, I couldn't get the link you posted to work - it goes to a page with the name of the mp3 file but not accessible. Puplava has a company in San Diego, right? I appreciate the info and will look more into his work.

Hope you're well!
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