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[Simon]

[quote]Turkish Cypriots favour a permanent split with south
By Jerome Taylor in northern Cyprus
Published: 03 December 2007 THE INDEPENDENT
They were the people who, three years ago, voted overwhelmingly for a peaceful resolution to the division of their island and were rewarded by being denied entry into the European Union. Now for the first time in years, thanks to a string of broken promises by Brussels and the wider international community, the population of north Cyprus favour the permanent partition of their Mediterranean island.

According to a recent poll conducted by the self-declared Turkish Republic of North Cyprus, 60 per cent of Turkish Cypriots now favour a two-state solution that would see their population permanently separated from their Greek counterparts on the south of the island along the infamous Green Line border that carves the island in two.

The findings are in stark contrast to the results of a referendum held three years ago in which just under 65 per cent of Turkish Cypriots voted for a UN-backed peace plan in favour of reunification with the south. In the same referendum the Greek Cypriots overwhelmingly rejected the peace plan but were able to enter the EU because their government is recognised internationally.

According to Mehmet Ali Talat, the pro-reconciliation President of Turkish Cyprus, the change in popular opinion is the legacy of the international community, and the EU in particular, failing to live up to its promises to end the isolation of the north and encourage greater direct trade.

In an interview, Mr Talat expressed frustration at the lack of progress in peace talks. "I find myself continuously warning the international community and the Greek Cypriot side that the Green Line is becoming more and more permanent, not less," he said.

"Turkish Cypriots have started to say if they don't want a solution with us, if they don't want to live with us why should we continue to ask to live together, what is the point? A growing number of Turkish Cypriot's are thinking this every day. The walls between the two peoples are growing taller every day".[/quote]


I said it a long time ago, indeed I believe I was one of the first, if not the first person to propose it on this forum; and I will say it again: an 80/20 split based on proportionality is what GCs should now be working for. TCs want partition, they certainly do not want true reunification: so it is either a confederation 80/20, or full partition 80/20. There are not many other options left if a solution is ever to be found.

[utu]

I said it a long time ago, indeed I believe I was one of the first, if not the first person to propose it on this forum; and I will say it again: an 80/20 split based on proportionality is what GCs should now be working for. TCs want partition, they certainly do not want true reunification: so it is either a confederation 80/20, or full partition 80/20. There are not many other options left if a solution is ever to be found.

A number of people will agree with you on this, but as long as the (Greek) Cypriot government think that they still have the hope of achieving what they want (a unitary state), a confederal solution will not be seriously pursued. Given that the RoC is (a) internationally recognized and (b) a member of the European Union, that's like a game of poker where the G/C's 'hand' is Aces over Kings. Not exactly the best conditions for the opponent to bluff...

[growuptcs]

Always looking to bluff utu. Cards read and bullshit walks.

[phoenix]

The only reason that Talat has pushed up the level of hysteria in his cries for a split is that he recognises Cyprus is nearing a solution which involves the TOTAL removal of Turks (Troops + Traitors + Settlers) from Cyprus.


Simon don't be a victim of their propaganda . . . . "don't let the buggers grind you down".

[Nikitas]

There was a very interesting op ed by Sener Levent today in which he describes the anger displayed by Serdar Denktash at being snubbed by the AKP party of Turkey. This is premier Erdogan's party and apparently it has dropped Serdar Denktash (son of Rauf Dentkash) in favor of mr Avci's party.

It seems that things in northern Cyprus are in a flux. Still cannot tell if this has any direct conection to the recent pronouncements by both Gul and Erdogan about there being two poeoplesl two religions etc in Cyprus. If there is a connection then expect more demands for partition and that means that Mr Talat will be relegated to the dustbin, if the new policy holds. His best chance for political survival is to hurry up and get a solution going with the Greek Cypriot side.

A far fetched scenario, (hey scenariology is part of forum posting OK, so I am indulging!) would be for Christofias, a long time buddy of Talat to win the election and then pronounce Talat the Vice President of the RoC and revert to the 1960 constitution with great pomp and ceremony. That would sort of knock the wind out of Turkey's sails and give Talat a huge boost. It would suit the EU down to a T too!

[Viewpoint]

There was a very interesting op ed by Sener Levent today in which he describes the anger displayed by Serdar Denktash at being snubbed by the AKP party of Turkey. This is premier Erdogan's party and apparently it has dropped Serdar Denktash (son of Rauf Dentkash) in favor of mr Avci's party.

It seems that things in northern Cyprus are in a flux. Still cannot tell if this has any direct conection to the recent pronouncements by both Gul and Erdogan about there being two poeoplesl two religions etc in Cyprus. If there is a connection then expect more demands for partition and that means that Mr Talat will be relegated to the dustbin, if the new policy holds. His best chance for political survival is to hurry up and get a solution going with the Greek Cypriot side.

A far fetched scenario, (hey scenariology is part of forum posting OK, so I am indulging!) would be for Christofias, a long time buddy of Talat to win the election and then pronounce Talat the Vice President of the RoC and revert to the 1960 constitution with great pomp and ceremony. That would sort of knock the wind out of Turkey's sails and give Talat a huge boost. It would suit the EU down to a T too!

Whos the alternative to Talat? who do think will be more flexible, if you think he is hardline you do not want to see any of the others in office, they will not want to talk at all.

[zan]

The only reason that Talat has pushed up the level of hysteria in his cries for a split is that he recognises Cyprus is nearing a solution which involves the TOTAL removal of Turks (Troops + Traitors + Settlers) from Cyprus.


Simon don't be a victim of their propaganda . . . . "don't let the buggers grind you down".

Still not able to link news hey... Do you think that this has anything to do with the statement from the UK...

[Get Real!]

There was a very interesting op ed by Sener Levent today in which he describes the anger displayed by Serdar Denktash at being snubbed by the AKP party of Turkey. This is premier Erdogan's party and apparently it has dropped Serdar Denktash (son of Rauf Dentkash) in favor of mr Avci's party.

It seems that things in northern Cyprus are in a flux. Still cannot tell if this has any direct conection to the recent pronouncements by both Gul and Erdogan about there being two poeoplesl two religions etc in Cyprus. If there is a connection then expect more demands for partition and that means that Mr Talat will be relegated to the dustbin, if the new policy holds. His best chance for political survival is to hurry up and get a solution going with the Greek Cypriot side.

A far fetched scenario, (hey scenariology is part of forum posting OK, so I am indulging!) would be for Christofias, a long time buddy of Talat to win the election and then pronounce Talat the Vice President of the RoC and revert to the 1960 constitution with great pomp and ceremony. That would sort of knock the wind out of Turkey's sails and give Talat a huge boost. It would suit the EU down to a T too!

Whos the alternative to Talat? who do think will be more flexible, if you think he is hardline you do not want to see any of the others in office, they will not want to talk at all.

Whatever happened to Akinci?

[Viewpoint]

There was a very interesting op ed by Sener Levent today in which he describes the anger displayed by Serdar Denktash at being snubbed by the AKP party of Turkey. This is premier Erdogan's party and apparently it has dropped Serdar Denktash (son of Rauf Dentkash) in favor of mr Avci's party.

It seems that things in northern Cyprus are in a flux. Still cannot tell if this has any direct conection to the recent pronouncements by both Gul and Erdogan about there being two poeoplesl two religions etc in Cyprus. If there is a connection then expect more demands for partition and that means that Mr Talat will be relegated to the dustbin, if the new policy holds. His best chance for political survival is to hurry up and get a solution going with the Greek Cypriot side.

A far fetched scenario, (hey scenariology is part of forum posting OK, so I am indulging!) would be for Christofias, a long time buddy of Talat to win the election and then pronounce Talat the Vice President of the RoC and revert to the 1960 constitution with great pomp and ceremony. That would sort of knock the wind out of Turkey's sails and give Talat a huge boost. It would suit the EU down to a T too!

Whos the alternative to Talat? who do think will be more flexible, if you think he is hardline you do not want to see any of the others in office, they will not want to talk at all.

Whatever happened to Akinci?

No support.

[phoenix]

The only reason that Talat has pushed up the level of hysteria in his cries for a split is that he recognises Cyprus is nearing a solution which involves the TOTAL removal of Turks (Troops + Traitors + Settlers) from Cyprus.


Simon don't be a victim of their propaganda . . . . "don't let the buggers grind you down".

Still not able to link news hey... Do you think that this has anything to do with the statement from the UK...

Yes Zan . . . I do. I will show you:

In an interview, Mr Talat expressed frustration at the lack of progress in peace talks. "I find myself continuously warning the international community and the Greek Cypriot side that the Green Line is becoming more and more permanent, not less," he said.

Therefore I interpreted that with :

....Talat has pushed up the level of hysteria in his cries for a split . . ."

Understand? . . . newspaper = information; phoenix = interpretation