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[zan]

zan Msss Kikapolousis lives in cuckoo land she has not been in contact with her people for 42 years and thinks she knows best, well pardon me for knowing a little more as it us who have to compromise our lives and submit to GC domination, just because this thing says so. Well you arguments Msss kikapollusis are null and void as you have no clue of what you are talking about.

Now you are evading the question just like Zan has been all night. It is very simple. Can you break down the 60% who voted for 2 state ( Partition) solution. So, look at my post and tell me why am I wrong in my breakdown of the numbers.

It all depends who actually voted. In actuality, I'm surprised that the number were not higher, much higher in fact, considering settlers who were "converted" to become Turkish Cypriots stands to lose the most except for a 2 Independent State solution, where they get to keep GC properties for free. So let us be generous and remove 25% of the "settlers factor" and you have about 35% True Turkish Cypriots who had voted in this poll. In 2004 Referendum, the "TRNC" voted 65% on the AP, which many GC's saw it as a Partition Plan at the expense of the RoC, which the TC's had everything to gain and very little to lose. So in actuality, the percentages has gone down from 65% in 2004 to 60% now, and if you remove the 25% "settlers factor", it is down to even lower numbers, which is 35%. The real differential numbers from 2004 to 2007 are 30% less True TC's wanting partition or 2 Independent state solution than they did in 2004. Could it be, that majority of the TC's fear being ruled by Ankara, once they achieve an Independent State .???

I think this new poll is actually works against the "TRNC" and the Partitionist wanting a Partition or a 2 Independent State Solution. The reported was also very much reporting what he was fed by the "TRNC" and not having his own information. I mean, how many partitionist really agree with this

How do you know the polsters were not asked if the are settlers or TCs, you try to explain away whats in front of rather than face and understand why the trend is going against unification and more and more in favor of a 2 state solution. You close your eyes like most Gcs and sweep facts under the carpet becuase they do not suit your mindset, this is typical GC mentality and thats what you are Msss Kiakapolousis a GC.

That's my whole point, we don't know anything, other than what the reporter was told by the "TRNC" officials, that 60% wanted a 2 state ( partition) solution. Why would the pollster ask anyone who has a "TRNC" citizenship who has a right to vote, whether they were a "converted TC's" from a settler, or that they were a true TC's. Why would that question be even raised. Since you know everything, how many settlers are holding a "TRNC" citizenship's and how many are old enough to vote. What are the numbers. 20,000, 30,000, 40,000....what is it. What ever the numbers are and voted in that 60%, that will be your "settler factor" which does not represent the true wishes of the TC's in wanting a Partition. I hope you got all that.

Those that have been living there for 30 years and their children are TC....end of!!!

[Natty]

I would like a Unitary state, but if I were to look at things realistically then I would probably say a Federation with a strong Central Government..

[Kikapu]

zan Msss Kikapolousis lives in cuckoo land she has not been in contact with her people for 42 years and thinks she knows best, well pardon me for knowing a little more as it us who have to compromise our lives and submit to GC domination, just because this thing says so. Well you arguments Msss kikapollusis are null and void as you have no clue of what you are talking about.

Now you are evading the question just like Zan has been all night. It is very simple. Can you break down the 60% who voted for 2 state ( Partition) solution. So, look at my post and tell me why am I wrong in my breakdown of the numbers.

It all depends who actually voted. In actuality, I'm surprised that the number were not higher, much higher in fact, considering settlers who were "converted" to become Turkish Cypriots stands to lose the most except for a 2 Independent State solution, where they get to keep GC properties for free. So let us be generous and remove 25% of the "settlers factor" and you have about 35% True Turkish Cypriots who had voted in this poll. In 2004 Referendum, the "TRNC" voted 65% on the AP, which many GC's saw it as a Partition Plan at the expense of the RoC, which the TC's had everything to gain and very little to lose. So in actuality, the percentages has gone down from 65% in 2004 to 60% now, and if you remove the 25% "settlers factor", it is down to even lower numbers, which is 35%. The real differential numbers from 2004 to 2007 are 30% less True TC's wanting partition or 2 Independent state solution than they did in 2004. Could it be, that majority of the TC's fear being ruled by Ankara, once they achieve an Independent State .???

I think this new poll is actually works against the "TRNC" and the Partitionist wanting a Partition or a 2 Independent State Solution. The reported was also very much reporting what he was fed by the "TRNC" and not having his own information. I mean, how many partitionist really agree with this

Yes 60% of the people living in the TRNC/KKTC that we call TCs and don't give a shit what you think. If we didn't want them to vote then we would not have made them citisens like the "RoC" made you....



You brake down the GCs and then talk

I give a shit. When the "Partitionist Gang" come on here and tell me that the TC's want Partition, it turns out that's not the case at all. Of course the "hired gun Turks" pretending to be TC's is going to give a distorted results. Point being, out of the 60%, only about 35% True TC's may be wanting a Partition. Sorry, but I do not consider the settlers as my people. They may be in the "TRNC", but they have no business voting to decide the future of the True TC's in their own country, just because they don't want to vacate the properties that does not belong to them.

You brake down the GCs and then talk

The GC's are not voting to have a Partition or not, so what's the point in asking that question Zan.

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All this bullshit cause we want to be equals and requst a level playing field, what you see fit for yourselves why cant you treat us as equals and allow us to move forward?

as soon as you allow people to reclaim their homes at will...and let democrasy take its course...a fair deal in my books...what do you say?..a deal?

ps....now comes the obstacle course...

As per the Annan Plan? No problem or was that not democracy Gc style, it was only backed by 90% of the world, ho yes they were all wrong and the genius Gcs were right. Well you made your bed you can lay in it.

You are missing the point here...
1...The ref was a demonstration of democracy...something you fail to understand...It was a vote and it was voted down...as to the why, it don't matter...This is how democracy works...but of cource you know all about democracy, right?

2...when you say 90% of the world, care to provide a list of 90% of the world's countries that supported this plan?

3...Everyone agreed to the terms of the ref...Your side as well...It would have benn null and void if failed...This point was understood prior to the ref...and pretty much by everyone...So you bringing it on all the time is a waste of time...

So you accept you rejected democracy democratically?

Go to the world map exclude 10% and read all the countries left.

Man you are clueless.

You are such a moron...How can the hell reject democrasy democratacally?...I asked you before if you knew what democracy is and here you are answering it...

No I am saying I exercise my democratic right...

And here is a summary for you to understand...

1...A ref is an exercise in democracy
2...You failed to back up your 90% CLAIM
3...the Annan plan was null and void if failed...all sides agreed prior to the ref...

And on point 3, could it point to another of they can't owe up to anything they put their signature to?

[zan]

zan Msss Kikapolousis lives in cuckoo land she has not been in contact with her people for 42 years and thinks she knows best, well pardon me for knowing a little more as it us who have to compromise our lives and submit to GC domination, just because this thing says so. Well you arguments Msss kikapollusis are null and void as you have no clue of what you are talking about.

Now you are evading the question just like Zan has been all night. It is very simple. Can you break down the 60% who voted for 2 state ( Partition) solution. So, look at my post and tell me why am I wrong in my breakdown of the numbers.

It all depends who actually voted. In actuality, I'm surprised that the number were not higher, much higher in fact, considering settlers who were "converted" to become Turkish Cypriots stands to lose the most except for a 2 Independent State solution, where they get to keep GC properties for free. So let us be generous and remove 25% of the "settlers factor" and you have about 35% True Turkish Cypriots who had voted in this poll. In 2004 Referendum, the "TRNC" voted 65% on the AP, which many GC's saw it as a Partition Plan at the expense of the RoC, which the TC's had everything to gain and very little to lose. So in actuality, the percentages has gone down from 65% in 2004 to 60% now, and if you remove the 25% "settlers factor", it is down to even lower numbers, which is 35%. The real differential numbers from 2004 to 2007 are 30% less True TC's wanting partition or 2 Independent state solution than they did in 2004. Could it be, that majority of the TC's fear being ruled by Ankara, once they achieve an Independent State .???

I think this new poll is actually works against the "TRNC" and the Partitionist wanting a Partition or a 2 Independent State Solution. The reported was also very much reporting what he was fed by the "TRNC" and not having his own information. I mean, how many partitionist really agree with this

Yes 60% of the people living in the TRNC/KKTC that we call TCs and don't give a shit what you think. If we didn't want them to vote then we would not have made them citisens like the "RoC" made you....



You brake down the GCs and then talk

I give a shit. When the "Partitionist Gang" come on here and tell me that the TC's want Partition, it turns out that's not the case at all. Of course the "hired gun Turks" pretending to be TC's is going to give a distorted results. Point being, out of the 60%, only about 35% True TC's may be wanting a Partition. Sorry, but I do not consider the settlers as my people. They may be in the "TRNC", but they have no business voting to decide the future of the True TC's in their own country, just because they don't want to vacate the properties that does not belong to them.

You brake down the GCs and then talk

The GC's are not voting to have a Partition or not, so what's the point in asking that question Zan.

The NON-GCs votes directly effect my people...can you not see that


I have told you before that YOU do not decide who is and isn't a TC in the TRNC/KKTC...My government does. You are a nobody in that sense. When you register your vote then you have a right.

And you are the partitionist....You are the one that does not listen to what the TC people want just like the "RoC" so go live there.....simple really.

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zan Msss Kikapolousis lives in cuckoo land she has not been in contact with her people for 42 years and thinks she knows best, well pardon me for knowing a little more as it us who have to compromise our lives and submit to GC domination, just because this thing says so. Well you arguments Msss kikapollusis are null and void as you have no clue of what you are talking about.

Now you are evading the question just like Zan has been all night. It is very simple. Can you break down the 60% who voted for 2 state ( Partition) solution. So, look at my post and tell me why am I wrong in my breakdown of the numbers.

It all depends who actually voted. In actuality, I'm surprised that the number were not higher, much higher in fact, considering settlers who were "converted" to become Turkish Cypriots stands to lose the most except for a 2 Independent State solution, where they get to keep GC properties for free. So let us be generous and remove 25% of the "settlers factor" and you have about 35% True Turkish Cypriots who had voted in this poll. In 2004 Referendum, the "TRNC" voted 65% on the AP, which many GC's saw it as a Partition Plan at the expense of the RoC, which the TC's had everything to gain and very little to lose. So in actuality, the percentages has gone down from 65% in 2004 to 60% now, and if you remove the 25% "settlers factor", it is down to even lower numbers, which is 35%. The real differential numbers from 2004 to 2007 are 30% less True TC's wanting partition or 2 Independent state solution than they did in 2004. Could it be, that majority of the TC's fear being ruled by Ankara, once they achieve an Independent State .???

I think this new poll is actually works against the "TRNC" and the Partitionist wanting a Partition or a 2 Independent State Solution. The reported was also very much reporting what he was fed by the "TRNC" and not having his own information. I mean, how many partitionist really agree with this

Yes 60% of the people living in the TRNC/KKTC that we call TCs and don't give a shit what you think. If we didn't want them to vote then we would not have made them citisens like the "RoC" made you....



You brake down the GCs and then talk

I give a shit. When the "Partitionist Gang" come on here and tell me that the TC's want Partition, it turns out that's not the case at all. Of course the "hired gun Turks" pretending to be TC's is going to give a distorted results. Point being, out of the 60%, only about 35% True TC's may be wanting a Partition. Sorry, but I do not consider the settlers as my people. They may be in the "TRNC", but they have no business voting to decide the future of the True TC's in their own country, just because they don't want to vacate the properties that does not belong to them.

You brake down the GCs and then talk

The GC's are not voting to have a Partition or not, so what's the point in asking that question Zan.

The NON-GCs votes directly effect my people...can you not see that


I have told you before that YOU do not decide who is and isn't a TC in the TRNC/KKTC...My government does. You are a nobody in that sense. When you register your vote then you have a right.

And you are the partitionist....You are the one that does not listen to what the TC people want just like the "RoC" so go live there.....simple really.

yes I agree with you...the non GC vote does affect you...as much as the non TC vote affects the GC...and when there is a survey as to what GC want we will break down the figures for you with a complete analysis, courtesy really and out of concern...In the mean time why not return the favour with this survey and lets see your complete analysis of who is a turkish cypriot...or who are these 60%...As already agreed that we are all effected by non cypriots voting...

[zan]

I am sure they will and all the ones that are TC you will see and I guess it is all of them otherwise they could not vote.....We make the rules on our side and you do not tell us who is and isn't TC...We know your criteria and if you had your way none would qualify.

[growuptcs]

Always looking to hide the truth arent you zan?

[zan]

Always looking to hide truths arent you zan?

Pot and Black

I am not trying to hide anything.......Perhaps you want to know what colour hair they each have as well....It has got nothing to do with you.....The next Annan Plan is on it's way and I read today that your Orthodox church was preparing one as well...Lets see how much you care and how much you want us back...

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I am sure they will and all the ones that are TC you will see and I guess it is all of them otherwise they could not vote.....We make the rules on our side and you do not tell us who is and isn't TC...We know your criteria and if you had your way none would qualify.

Zan its pretty simple...break them down...but on the other hand I enjoy seeing you squirm ...its a hard choice...keep on making you squirm, or give you a break...nahhh, I like making you squirm :lol;

The pleasing part is you and the outlaw gang here, tried to tell us that what VP thinks is what everybody thinks in the nth...he is the reflection of the nth...this couldn't be further from the truth...here we have 40% and bet your bottom dollar, no settlers amongst them...Still very high wouldn' t you agree and much firther from the truth?

either way you like at it, it ain't good news for you and the gang is it?

ps...did you know if a fish hides its head, it thinks that you can't see it, regardeless of how the body sticks out like dog's balls...?...I could easily put you in the same category...

40% of pure cypriots is quite high considering the horseshit you and the gang are trying to pass here...